I am so done with this game and CO

[IIIIIIIIII]

Ok, so at this point we all know how incomplete this is. I was very supportive at first. Performance issue did not bother me, but the lack of core gameplay really made me sad.
Guess what made it even worse? The attitude from CO.
So far they haven't admitted a single time that they have release this unfinished cluster♥♥♥♥ and just playing word game with us dodging out doubts about the lacking simulation.

I made this reply on the official forum after being very triggered by the post made by their CEO stating they are "working on the gameplay" weeks after releasing the game. And guess what? It, and my account immediately got banned for no reason. I took a screenshot before posting it, and I will just share it here:

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co_martsu:
Gameplay issues are being actively worked on and we've been also looking into some pathfinding errors. Some bugs take longer to fix than others and it would cause added stress to try and keep a specific cadence so at no point have we committed to one. Since we've had weekly patches thus far I found it best to warn that it's not to be expected in the future, with the sole purpose of trying to manage expectations. While the patch cadence is expected to be longer going forward it doesn't mean we have stopped working on bugfixes.
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Wow, I am very surprised to see that you are working on the gameplays, after releasing the game, as a completed product! What a standard practice!

You released a game that can not lose, and have no impact/consequence for whatever action player have taken, and literally have zero gameplay elements besides painting zones and see building pops out. And NOW YOU ARE LOOKING IN TO GAMEPLAY??
If you had no clues of what the gameplay should be maybe DO NOT advertise (lie) your half way finished mess as "Deep Simulation", "Epic scale endless possibilities", "A dynamic world"? This is false advertising at its max.

How about, instead of playing with word just admit and be honest with your cohort with the fact that you've release an unfinished game? You keep saying you are working on 'fixing' some 'issues' while it's pretty clear to both side these are not issue, but rather, missing features?

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co_martsu:
We're investigating the bug reports and fixing issues. There's a lot of people enjoying the game so we are not looking to pull it of the market.
Actions speak louder than words: patches will be released and the game improved. I'II share the latest news next week and I hope to see you all then!
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So far the players community have paid you money, and spent their own time to QA and test your game. What are we getting in return?

So how about the some actions from your side:
- Let's start with you be honest with us, you know more about how incompletely it is more than anyone.
- How about offering a refund option? So those who are 'enjoying' can keep playing?
- Give those of us who still have a bit faith in you a detailed roadmap, or maybe a public issue tracker?
- Maybe consider stop saying "fixing issues" where it's clearly some gameplay elements/features that you haven't considered before releasing your version
1.0.0 game?

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co martsu:
I would kindly ask for a civil and polite conversation going forward both here and elsewhere on the forum as we actually have our devs read through the feedback and their happiness is important to me. We can take constructive criticism and we take it seriously,
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Guess what's more disappointing than the unfinished game?
- Your attitude and the fact that you and your community engagement team are treating us as babies.
So far you haven't been taking us seriously, you lie to us about your product, then you kept playing word game with us to hide your lies. If you want us to be respectful, respectful us first. You should know more then anvone of us how important the communitv are, don't make us lose the tiny bit of faith we have left in you.

[Awesomes007]

The next things I expect to see are an exodus of employees from CO over the next 12 months or so. They will get sick of being squeezed from both sides - Paradox and the community. They were set up to fail.

[Andre K.]

Where is at least one specific problem in this correspondence? What exactly should they fix? What exactly does not suit you? From your side, only hysteria is visible.)))

[martinolund]

Originally posted by Andre K.:

Where is at least one specific problem in this correspondence? What exactly should they fix? What exactly does not suit you? From your side, only hysteria is visible.)))

Go to the official paradox bug forum for cities skylines 2. Top right you will be able to filter on "Confirmed" bug posts. Last time I checked there were more then 320 such bugs confirmed in the game! That is what OP is complaining about and most of us as well.

It will take them 6 months to fix this mess and probably longer as new bugs are discovered daily and added into the bug forum. You can start by reading all those Andre to understand why we're all upset a bit.

[Andre K.]

Originally posted by martinolund:

Originally posted by Andre K.:

Where is at least one specific problem in this correspondence? What exactly should they fix? What exactly does not suit you? From your side, only hysteria is visible.)))

Go to the official paradox bug forum for cities skylines 2. Top right you will be able to filter on "Confirmed" bug posts. Last time I checked there were more then 320 such bugs confirmed in the game! That is what OP is complaining about and most of us as well.

It will take them 6 months to fix this mess and probably longer as new bugs are discovered daily and added into the bug forum. You can start by reading all those Andre to understand why we're all upset a bit.

I took the first topic I came across. About cargo exports... At the very end of the topic, not errors are already being discussed. It discusses the mechanics of the game, which was incomprehensible to many at first.
Probably there are a lot of mistakes in the game, but in my opinion it is very far from disaster and panic.

[-RAISTLIN-]

Act like a tool, get banned. Shocking.

[IIIIIIIIII]

Originally posted by martinolund:

Originally posted by Andre K.:

Where is at least one specific problem in this correspondence? What exactly should they fix? What exactly does not suit you? From your side, only hysteria is visible.)))

Go to the official paradox bug forum for cities skylines 2. Top right you will be able to filter on "Confirmed" bug posts. Last time I checked there were more then 320 such bugs confirmed in the game! That is what OP is complaining about and most of us as well.

It will take them 6 months to fix this mess and probably longer as new bugs are discovered daily and added into the bug forum. You can start by reading all those Andre to understand why we're all upset a bit.

Calling them bugs is an understatement. They are features that are not implemented.

[Christian Mahony]

The performance is very bad, that is all i can say about CS2.

[Stealthy]

Always so funny when people get so butt hurt over a game, which they should have known to be exactly what it is. It is on par with C:S1. I know, many people refuse to believe that but just go ahead and check C:S1 patch notes over its history. Notice those weekly patches right after launch? European style added couple of months after? Major patches and hot fixes over its whole life and still not bug free?

What on earth did you expect?

And OP is again spouting outright lies and exaggerations about the game and the game play. But that's probably quite normal and that's why C:S1 workshop is so full of unnecessary mods because some people don't really want to learn the game. Automatic bulldozer? You don't need one. Different AI fixes? Same deal.

Only useful mods there are added features like network anarchy and network multi-tool, intersection marking tool for detailers, prop anarchy etc.

It's of course ok to be upset, but don't blame something else for your short comings. Be honest. You aren't bothered to learn the game, say so. Don't say "there is no game play".

[s.aitken88]

Originally posted by buttawise:

Paradox and CO do not care about the customer base. You can see it in their rip-off DLC models.

THIS x10000

I am amazed by the amount of people merrily supporting this, absolute lemmings.

[buttawise]

Originally posted by s.aitken88:

Originally posted by buttawise:

Paradox and CO do not care about the customer base. You can see it in their rip-off DLC models.

THIS x10000

I am amazed by the amount of people merrily supporting this, absolute lemmings.

I returned CS1 when it first came out because i was so thirsty for something to get me off Sim City4k. And even when I broke down and got the game on sale I still would play Sim City 4k because CS is mostly a traffic simulator. making money and setting up anything else in the game is trivial.

[s.aitken88]

Originally posted by buttawise:

Originally posted by s.aitken88:

THIS x10000

I am amazed by the amount of people merrily supporting this, absolute lemmings.

I returned CS1 when it first came out because i was so thirsty for something to get me off Sim City4k. And even when I broke down and got the game on sale I still would play Sim City 4k because CS is mostly a traffic simulator. making money and setting up anything else in the game is trivial.

I'm not even a hardcore city builder fan.

It's just glaringly obvious that CS2 is incomplete, a cash-grab, and if it were a physical product I would be very much within my rights to claim a refund. It's sad that Steam has somehow become a set of laws unto itself. They have a defined refund policy that doesn't meet local consumer rights laws at all. In the UK we have the Sale of Goods Act, which this game is most certainly in breach of. The store page advertises a completely different product from what we got.

[buttawise]

Originally posted by s.aitken88:

It's just glaringly obvious that CS2 is incomplete, a cash-grab, and if it were a physical product I would be very much within my rights to claim a refund.

Yes.

[Stealthy]

Originally posted by s.aitken88:

It's just glaringly obvious that CS2 is incomplete, a cash-grab, and if it were a physical product I would be very much within my rights to claim a refund. It's sad that Steam has somehow become a set of laws unto itself. They have a defined refund policy that doesn't meet local consumer rights laws at all. In the UK we have the Sale of Goods Act, which this game is most certainly in breach of. The store page advertises a completely different product from what we got.

Actually no. Sale of goods act in the UK, like in EU, requires that you first give supplier reasonable chance to make things right, before refund can be discussed. It isn't your first right. Only if you did online order, you got automatic 14 day time period for returning the item and getting refund (some limitations apply)

[Pruciak]

I switched back to CS 1, shame I can't refund CS 2.

[SoddenStar]

Yeah, I'm done with this game.