Cities: Skylines II

Cities: Skylines II

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Ghostrider Apr 7, 2024 @ 9:22am
Paradox in Strife?
Just watched this video by Bellular about Paradox and what is going on, it is very interesting as it seems that Star Trek Infinite another Paradox title is done for.
The one big thing seems that an indie publisher known as Hooded Horse, is as Bellular puts it "Eating Paradox's lunch".
If you watch all the video you will get a good idea of what is going on, and that is part of why we got what we got with Skylines 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhi7MLKbj4
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Saw it yesterday.

A game released just before a quarterly earnings report, similar to how Victoria 3 was, and how Millennia and the latest batch of DLC were 2 weeks ago for the sale...

Yep looks like they're in some trouble.

Games which Paradox absolutely had an unacceptable, but undeniable monopoly on.
Sadly they got used to it and stopped caring about the people who made the successes - their developers, and their fans.

They thought the marketing was more important, and share holders.

I am looking forward to Manor Lords though.
ste Apr 7, 2024 @ 9:45am 
So theres a chance this game could get abandoned long before it comes out of early access
wolfpost Apr 7, 2024 @ 9:50am 
Yeah, I almost canceled my preorder of Prison Architect 2 because Paradox seems to be in trouble. But I decided to keep it. But I do not trust them at all any more. And there is No way I would ever preorder their game thats like the Sims. That has disaster written all over it. I think with this release of CS2, Paradox already has the "warning" sign about buying their games. You burn enough customers and eventually the word gets out.

Much like with Disney, I suspect Paradox put some new cooperate guy in as the CEO that knows nothing about making games but everything about making money. And this is the sort of thing you get every dam time.
Last edited by wolfpost; Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:20am
wolfpost Apr 7, 2024 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by ste:
So theres a chance this game could get abandoned long before it comes out of early access


Which game are you talking about? I can't tell if that was sarcasm about CS2 or worry about the other games mentioned? LOL.
Ghostrider Apr 7, 2024 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:
Saw it yesterday.

A game released just before a quarterly earnings report, similar to how Victoria 3 was, and how Millennia and the latest batch of DLC were 2 weeks ago for the sale...

Yep looks like they're in some trouble.

Games which Paradox absolutely had an unacceptable, but undeniable monopoly on.
Sadly they got used to it and stopped caring about the people who made the successes - their developers, and their fans.

They thought the marketing was more important, and share holders.

I am looking forward to Manor Lords though.
Yup pretty much, the funny thing is after the current shamozzle with Skylines 2, Paradox seem the be going into better let their upcoming games cook a bit longer frame of mind. But we will wait and see if they actually do learn but somehow I doubt it. Pretty much Paradox need a good kick in the pants.

Yeah Manor Lords does look interesting more so that Hooded Horse the publisher of the game seem to have a very good reputation at the moment, and they seem to actually care about the games they release.

Originally posted by ste:
So theres a chance this game could get abandoned long before it comes out of early access.

With how they just nuked another of their titles, they might but it really depends as it seems according to the video, Cities Skylines 2 was supposedly an important game for them. And yet they screwed it up, by rushing its release because reasons. Because of that we have the mess that we have now, not to forget the below subpar Beach Properties DLC.
Last edited by Ghostrider; Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:03am
ste Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:03am 
I was talking about CS2, but I wasnt being sarcastic. They have lost millions of expected revenue on this game

They spent millions on that lamplighters league and how many years and nuked that, I cant imagine the beachless DLC has saved them much. Most people were getting it free and The playerbase is hardly setting the world alight
Last edited by ste; Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:06am
Apples Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:05am 
Oh well, next please!
ste Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:19am 
Just looking at amazon and they have the PS5 version of CS2 available for release for the 31st December 2024. Even that seems far fetched, takes them a month a palm tree
wolfpost Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by ste:
I was talking about CS2, but I wasnt being sarcastic. They have lost millions of expected revenue on this game

They spent millions on that lamplighters league and how many years and nuked that, I cant imagine the beachless DLC has saved them much. Most people were getting it free and The playerbase is hardly setting the world alight

Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic because you called CS2 an early access game. Because it plays like one. But you hit upon the problem. If only it were an early access game at an early access price. They would have saved themselves a ton of grief if they had released it as an EA game. Then they double down on that rip off of a DLC.

See, we were not getting the DLC for free. We paid a ton of money for it and the two DLCs to still come afterwards. But thats why I am so pissed. I paid extra money and was locked into getting this bad DLC. Others could see what it was and not buy it.

They won't abandon the game until we get the 2 DLC we are owed. otherwise thats a lawsuit in the making. But I suspect, just like with the Beach DLC, the two other ones will have next to nothing in it. I will tell you what I think happened with this DLC. They might of had more in it originally but they didn't want to allocate the resources to make the other stuff. I strongly suspect the houses in this DLC was going to be in the original game and they just held them back to put in the DLC so they didn't have to put any more time and money into making the DLC.
Big Poppa Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:48am 
Finally a youtuber that is telling the truth, unlike jumbo pixel,biffa, andy's take. You know all the paid liars.
ste Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:52am 
Jumbo pixel from what Ive seen calls it how it is. He is the only one I would bother watching. Biffas like watching a paid paradox commercial
icedude94 Apr 7, 2024 @ 10:53am 
Competition is good. It gets companies to do better and good developers and coders to coalesce together in better companies with better pay.
Big Poppa Apr 7, 2024 @ 11:00am 
Originally posted by ste:
Jumbo pixel from what Ive seen calls it how it is. He is the only one I would bother watching. Biffas like watching a paid paradox commercial
Lol lmao even.
Ghostrider Apr 7, 2024 @ 11:00am 
Originally posted by Big Poppa:
Finally a youtuber that is telling the truth, unlike jumbo pixel,biffa, andy's take. You know all the paid liars.
Yup Bellular knows his stuff that is for sure and well this is his thing on youtube. And he does have some experience with what goes on with developing a game and having it published.
In the end it will be interesting to see what Paradox do now, knowing that Hooded Horse are muscling in on their turf.

Originally posted by ste:
Jumbo pixel from what Ive seen calls it how it is. He is the only one I would bother watching. Biffas like watching a paid paradox commercial
True Jumbo Pixel does have some good takes on Skylines 2 sometimes.
Last edited by Ghostrider; Apr 7, 2024 @ 11:01am
Simon Apr 7, 2024 @ 11:22am 
Good video. Entertaining and direct.

I agree, once the Paradox logo becomes a warning sign to customers (if it isn’t already) or a badge of shame if things are really bad, both players and developers will walk away and they’ll be left without anything to sell.

Also, hilarious if Paradox passed up Manor Lords. I really hope it was that!
Last edited by Simon; Apr 7, 2024 @ 11:23am
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