Paradox was the one to blame to all this mess in City Skylines II

[Iron Man]

After suffering a huge 23 million dollars loses from Lamplighters League, Paradox was in a rush to make their balance sheets look nicer by the end of the 2023 fiscal year. And so they released City Skylines II, not because the game was in its furnished and ready state, but because they need a huge source of revenue to write-off their loses. That way they have a face to show to their shareholders.

Here's a good video to watch for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIMdw8nexvM

Really sucks that it's always the gamers that have to suffer all the consequences of a greedy corporate gaming company.

[QueenPixxa]

I am always happy to invest my money on indie games; honest truth: never had one disappointment.

[ekin]

Mariina said herself that she made the decision to release the game. I don't think that YT guy has been following the events closely. That said, PDX is surely not innocent in this.

[Billy Lee]

Originally posted by mehmeteking:

Mariina said herself that she made the decision to release the game. I don't think that YT guy has been following the events closely. That said, PDX is surely not innocent in this.

what was she supposed to say? In general, the theory about sherholders is weak, everyone who has been interested in investing, stock market for a while knows what it looks like

[ekin]

Originally posted by Billy Lee:

Originally posted by mehmeteking:

Mariina said herself that she made the decision to release the game. I don't think that YT guy has been following the events closely. That said, PDX is surely not innocent in this.

what was she supposed to say? In general, the theory about sherholders is weak, everyone who has been interested in investing, stock market for a while knows what it looks like

If she didn't make the decision to release, then she could have just not said anything about it. It is not like she addressed all controversies, anyway.

[Excalibur]

Although Paradox is to blame for releasing it too early, CO is also to blame. It was CO who signed a contract with Paradox, and in doing so fully understanding the consequences of signing a contract with a company listed on the stock exchange.

[ste]

It was CO who decided to insult the fans,
It was CO who chose to brush off the criticism
It was CO who chose to go into radio silence mode,
It was CO who chose to say if you dont like it...
It was CO who chose not to apologise

COs attitude since launch has been nothing short of disgraceful

[dulany67]

Originally posted by mehmeteking:

Originally posted by Billy Lee:

what was she supposed to say? In general, the theory about sherholders is weak, everyone who has been interested in investing, stock market for a while knows what it looks like

If she didn't make the decision to release, then she could have just not said anything about it. It is not like she addressed all controversies, anyway.

She may have made the decision while being pressured by PDX. What happened when she decided there would be no more WoW?

But CO is responsible for how the systems interact with the game as whole. No one is innocent here.

[Lacus Clyne]

The community was the victim of them playing a balance sheet manager.

[JimmysTheBestCop]

Wasn't this said here since day 1. Every public traded company works this way.

It wasn't just paradox. CO knew the game would probably never work correctly. Too much invested in it. They gotta sell it even broken to make that money.

This is why the heart of PC gaming is now the micro Indy dev who has constant open communication with the games community.

These big AAA releases on PC are basically dead. There might be a handful of great launches a year. But for public companies as long as it sells. The quality is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.

Then if you look at mid to top tier gpu prices you can see why console sales have never been stronger.


PC gaming can never die. But I think the heart of PC gaming is those micro Indy dev games now

[Townsendvol]

Originally posted by ste:

It was CO who decided to insult the fans,
It was CO who chose to brush off the criticism
It was CO who chose to go into radio silence mode,
It was CO who chose to say if you dont like it...
It was CO who chose not to apologise

COs attitude since launch has been nothing short of disgraceful

100% this. No idea why some want to give CO a pass, they are the o es that made this failure and agreed to release it and take your money.

[Haystack]

If you're looking for some one to blame look no further than your own hip pocket. Then just to the right of your user name. See that little mouse icon you paid 50.00 for ?

Now you know who to blame.

Next time you want to go pointing fingers, Drag out that canceled check or credit card slip and see who's names are listed.

[ekin]

Originally posted by Haystack:

If you're looking for some one to blame look no further than your own hip pocket. Then just to the right of your user name. See that little mouse icon you paid 50.00 for ?

Now you know who to blame.

Next time you want to go pointing fingers, Drag out that canceled check or credit card slip and see who's names are listed.

What does this even mean? So if a product sold under false advertising doesn't work as intended, it is the buyer's fault?

[Simon]

I’m clearly not pro-Paradox, but to play devil’s advocate: just how long was CO supposed to need? If this game is 3 years late and they were already working on it—even showing it to creators—3 years ago, don’t questions of competence at CO arise?

Someone wrote a very good post in another thread saying that CO failed to invest in the skilled developers, if not an entirely new studio, needed to deliver this project. There are also clear competency deficiencies at the top end at CO. I’m guessing they thought they could just “wing it” like they did with CS1. They seem overly dependent on Unity and misread their ability to overcome its weaknesses and their own abilities.

Both CO and PDX are to blame. PDX was seemingly indifferent or didn’t care how good the product was despite obvious warning signs—because all they care about is their balance sheets. As far as PDX is concerned, as long as they could hoodwink enough people to preorder before release with an effective marketing campaign to make a profit, they didn’t care about anything else.

The only thing that’s toxic is the relationship between Colossal Order and Paradox. That’s my take on things.

[Haystack]

Originally posted by mehmeteking:

Originally posted by Haystack:

If you're looking for some one to blame look no further than your own hip pocket. Then just to the right of your user name. See that little mouse icon you paid 50.00 for ?

Now you know who to blame.

Next time you want to go pointing fingers, Drag out that canceled check or credit card slip and see who's names are listed.

What does this even mean? So if a product sold under false advertising doesn't work as intended, it is the buyer's fault?

Exactly,

If the eager beaver pre-order tard's stop buying broken unfinished games, Steam will stop selling them. When Steam stops selling them, Paradox will stop publishing them. When Paradox stops publishing them, CO will stop releasing them. And it won't take 8 years or two years or eight months to get there either.

[Nanucleus]

While there's an ongoing debate about Paradox's financial motivations behind the early release of C:S2, it's crucial to address the core issues from a player's perspective. Fundamentally, the game suffers from mechanics that lack engagement and fun, marred by persistent bugs and poor performance. Despite hopes for a polished and immersive city-building experience, C:S2 falls short, failing to meet the community's standards and leaving much to be desired in terms of gameplay quality and stability. This dissatisfaction isn't just about corporate decisions but reflects broader disappointment with the game's development and delivery to fans.