ProJared lost his city and three hours of effort because autosave is disabled by default

[TigerNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19AZfBPNHG4#t=10223
Seems like it should be on by default, no?

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

why didn't he save? I am curious.

You know why, but for the benefit of anyone else reading this, I'll say why anyway. There are no other games like this from the past 15 years that do not have a robust autosave system enabled by default, or have autosave disabled by default. When a game crashes, no one expects significant progress to be lost like it was on an Etch a Sketch. No. Other. Games. Do. This. Also, the crashing and general instability of the game makes it clear it should still be in the alpha or beta stage.

So your reason that he didn't save is because: "it's unstable and crashes"?

Well, 1:
how did he go 3 hours without a crash if it's unstable and crash?
and
2: if he was feeling the instability then why didn't he save?

You haven't answered the question, you've only made the situation more amusing and comedy-sketch-like. I am impressed that you managed to do that.

[Stealthy]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

This is like saying it's the driver's fault the airbags didn't deploy when they should have read the manual and figured out how to turn the airbags on first.

Not quite the same thing, now is it? But driver does need to do ton of other things to ensure his or her vehicle is drive-able and road safe & legal. Most people don't check, but doesn't take the responsibility away in a case of an accident.

[TigerNightmare]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

So your reason that he didn't save is because: "it's unstable and crashes"?

No, learn to read. I said the reason is because there is an expectation of an autosave system because no other games are like this. This cannot be disputed. I'll say it again. No other games are like this.

Three hours before crashing isn't proof the game is reasonably stable, it's still a crash, and very early in the game. Everyone knows the more complex you build something in these types of games, the more likely a crash is to occur. It's not just Jared, there's tons of reviews and posts on here complaining of crashes and bad performance even on higher end hardware. If anything, the autosave system should be turned on by default because it's still essentially in the alpha stage.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

And why would it be a personal preference? Why would anyone not want the game to save?.

So you're saying people want to save their progress.

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

It's not just Jared, there's tons of reviews and posts on here complaining of crashes and bad performance even on higher end hardware. If anything, the autosave system should be turned on by default

So you're saying lots of people aren't saving their progress.

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

No, learn to read

I am reading what you're saying. It's not my fault it's contradictory.

[TigerNightmare]

Originally posted by Stealthy:

Not quite the same thing, now is it? But driver does need to do ton of other things to ensure his or her vehicle is drive-able and road safe & legal. Most people don't check, but doesn't take the responsibility away in a case of an accident.

It's called an analogy, the point especially being that cars don't have their airbags off by default, it's not even possible to turn them off because they are not optional, you just expect them to function as promised. Modern games are supposed to reasonably function in a way you expect.

[TigerNightmare]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

So you're saying lots of people aren't saving their progress.

Lots of people are also finding out the hard way. And people are losing their saves. And I found another thread that says that they turned off autosaving by default because it was causing the game to crash and cause severe framerate issues in the prerelease version of the game. Chaos software.

[ZΛΛP]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

Seems like it should be on by default, no?

It 100% should be on by default, I, like ProJared also lost about 3 hours of my progress. Why? Because I had the audacity to assume it was on by default.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

So you're saying lots of people aren't saving their progress.

Lots of people are also finding out the hard way. And people are losing their saves. And I found another thread that says that they turned off autosaving by default because it was causing the game to crash and cause severe framerate issues in the prerelease version of the game. Chaos software.

so people are willingly ignoring the options menu and not turning auto save on, and then they're complaining that their settings as they want them and their auto save isn't on?

chaos and madness indeed, but not from CO.

[TigerNightmare]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

so people are willingly ignoring the options menu and not turning auto save on, and then they're complaining that their settings as they want them and their auto save isn't on?

chaos and madness indeed, but not from CO.

Yes, an alarming amount of people are discovering that a standard feature on every other game is off by default. And it is the dev's fault. Because that is their design choice, and the game isn't even stable enough for save games to be reliable, with so many posts where people lost their saves or the game crashed while they were saving, save files that refuse to load, save files that crash the game. People are posting about their save file problems today. It's a big mess and a shamefully unfinished game.

[Billy Lee]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

People are posting about their save file problems today. It's a big mess and a shamefully unfinished game.

yes, there are always threads about disappearing, damaged saves, especially after some updates. whether the option is disabled is not a big deal, I'm surprised that such an option is so strangely hidden. so currently there is no point in even playing this game if the game saves are not able to rescue your progress

[Apples]

His own fault, i always have to turn off autosave, saving manually is the way to go... and don't use steam cloud.

You can also backup your saves manually...

[Septumplastik]

Save early, save often. I have worked with enough Autodesk Software that I have turned into a compulsive saver, saving every other minute. Sometimes at work I save, go to get a coffee or whatever, and then save again when I come back, even tho the PC was just sitting there.
I might be neurotic but at least I never ever have do do something twice!

[OtterSwag]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19AZfBPNHG4#t=10223
Seems like it should be on by default, no?

sounds like Someone need a name change from Pro too Newb :P

[Stealthy]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

It's called an analogy, the point especially being that cars don't have their airbags off by default, it's not even possible to turn them off because they are not optional, you just expect them to function as promised. Modern games are supposed to reasonably function in a way you expect.

I know what an analogy is. Point was that they are not comparable things, but as I said you do need to check that everything is ok in the vehicle before you set off. Airbags isn't same in any real analogy as auto save, and it is piss poor attempt to trying to compare them.

Nobody has ever promised that autos ave is automatically working. That being one of the major differences in your "analogy".

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by TigerNightmare:

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

so people are willingly ignoring the options menu and not turning auto save on, and then they're complaining that their settings as they want them and their auto save isn't on?

chaos and madness indeed, but not from CO.

Yes, an alarming amount of people are discovering that a standard feature on every other game is off by default. And it is the dev's fault. Because that is their design choice, and the game isn't even stable enough for save games to be reliable, with so many posts where people lost their saves or the game crashed while they were saving, save files that refuse to load, save files that crash the game. People are posting about their save file problems today. It's a big mess and a shamefully unfinished game.

yes it's obviously the devs fault that these people aren't checking things are set up how they want them and the devs should fine tune everyone's settings personally for them, you see the absurdly strange argument you're making yet or do we need to keep doing this circular debate?

p.s. if we do the circular debate some more, can we have Captain Kirk vs Spock music playing? from that arena episode. it'd fit with the theme of this thread I believe