my 4070ti is burning

[sand]

CPU: 5800x
GPU: 4070 ti
RAM: 32gb ram (ddr4-25600)
1440p

High preset - with empty city - 15~20 fps with 91 Celsius gpu temperture
Middle preset - with empty city - 45~55 fps with 86 Celsius gpu temperture

lol
seriously?

[Heisenquark]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

So to answer your question again. It doesn't from which source load is coming if you cannot keep up with the cooling then it's the problem.

And as a hardware person, I could argue that system XYZ just can't manage the worst software under tolerable temperatures. As a result the hardware or cooling must be optimized.

Or the rain sensor in my car is also made to work as best as it can under any siutation. If I now drive through fog and the sensor does not get it... it is not the fog fault when my wipers won't start. This is simply not sufficiently designed / programmed.

Just like your cooling is just not enough.

[Ziegeri]

Originally posted by Abisha:

funny people all scream and shout here but their is absolute ZERO specifications of NVIDIA what specific state it's graphics cards getting damaged.

so other words if it's runs 200 Degree's it's fine because it's never stated which temperature
it should shutdown. and it's fully covered by guarantee

The GPU and CPU will dynamically reduce the amount of power it takes in, relative to temperature. And they also shut down your PC before the temps get anywhere close to dangerous territory. NVidia usually has TjMax of 115C, AMD Radeon 110C, Intel 100-105C and AMD CPU 95C

TjMax = maximum thermal junction temperature, so max temp that the component will allow before either shutting down or thermal throttling.

You will have to flash modded bios and/or do modding on the board it self to bypass these features. If your stock standard card or CPU breaks from heat, then it is faulty and warranty covers it.

[ViraCorp]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Before any more of you psuedo-IT techs try to give your two cents.

No other game made my GPU (or likely OP's GPU) get to this unsafe of a temp.

If this game is the only game that causes the GPU to spike in temp, then how on Earth do you even consider that its a problem with the GPU?

If all other game/gpu combos work fine EXCEPT this one -- how is it somehow the GPU's cooling failing?

"Your GPU's cooling must be failing for this specific game, and not any others"

It's not like the fans take a break or something.

Stupid asf.

I won’t pretend to understand all of this. I’m just trying to follow along and learn. I guess what I don’t understand or what doesn’t seem to make sense is, if we’re saying it’s the game that’s causing the temperatures to hit that high, why is it only happening to some people and not everybody, I’m getting 60 FPS on a 4070 at around 66 to 68°C

[Abisha]

Originally posted by ViraCorp:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Before any more of you psuedo-IT techs try to give your two cents.

No other game made my GPU (or likely OP's GPU) get to this unsafe of a temp.

If this game is the only game that causes the GPU to spike in temp, then how on Earth do you even consider that its a problem with the GPU?

If all other game/gpu combos work fine EXCEPT this one -- how is it somehow the GPU's cooling failing?

"Your GPU's cooling must be failing for this specific game, and not any others"

It's not like the fans take a break or something.

Stupid asf.

I won’t pretend to understand all of this. I’m just trying to follow along and learn. I guess what I don’t understand or what doesn’t seem to make sense is, if we’re saying it’s the game that’s causing the temperatures to hit that high, why is it only happening to some people and not everybody, I’m getting 60 FPS on a 4070 at around 66 to 68°C

it's a very complicated formula.
but if your graphics card consume more energy it basic makes more heat.
if your heat fins works bit less then optimal ΔT can really adds up.
your graphics card have a internal sensor that shutsdown it's GPU preventing damaging it.
if your graphics card is 90 degree's and keeps running fine anything works fine.
nothing to worry about they designed to run hot with lots of work load.

so if your graphics card have bit more resistance and your heat fin works a little less
you likely have like 3 to 5 Degree's more heat.

in software terms,
each software engine is a other type of flavor on flavor is bit more salty and request more work on the graphics CPU. while the other Flavor is bit more balanced on CPU

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

I work in Software Engineering. My specialty is ensuring code is optimized.

If your code is causing my hardware to overheat, its because your code is inefficient. Just because my card CAN run at 90 C, doesn't mean it SHOULD.

No OTHER GAME is causing these temps. Not even thermal benchmarks, which are MADE for making the card hot.

This game is doing a better job than PCMark at making my 4090 into a red hot mass.

That is an issue.

Well i guess congratulations. I am windows tech lead. So, what now?

I am telling you my experience based on the real servers and baseline practice.

I have multiple games that utilize my GPU above 90%. MSFS2020, Cyberpunk 2077, Kingdome come:Deliverence etc... But the temperature is not above 80c.

Frankly you reminded me one of the service owners:
SO: My CPU utilization is on 90% Please reduce it.
Me: Does it cause any issue to you?
SO: No
Me: Then why you want to reduce it?
SO: Because it's high
Me: But you paid to have it fully utilized aren't you?
SO: Yes
Me: So why again you want to reduce CPU load?
SO: Nevermind

When my GPU is reaching 90C, when no other game does, its likely because you put out a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ product of bad quality. Hence this game.

Not sure why you felt the need to bring up your credentials in the first place. Congrats on working with databases I guess? I work on optimizing code. Which you clearly don't.

The game is inefficient. That's the issue at hand. Your pedantic replies do not assist, and only make the lazy devs more complecent in their ways. Go back to writing poorly optimized code and overheating your servers.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by Heisenquark:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

So to answer your question again. It doesn't from which source load is coming if you cannot keep up with the cooling then it's the problem.

And as a hardware person, I could argue that system XYZ just can't manage the worst software under tolerable temperatures. As a result the hardware or cooling must be optimized.

Or the rain sensor in my car is also made to work as best as it can under any siutation. If I now drive through fog and the sensor does not get it... it is not the fog fault when my wipers won't start. This is simply not sufficiently designed / programmed.

Just like your cooling is just not enough.

If every. single. other. title. runs at a normal operating temperature, then this one game is the outlier. Suggesting that it is the problem, not the card.

If the card never has problems with any other games, then the game must be the problem.

How ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ simple do I need to make this? If you're a hardware guy, you should understand this.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by Abisha:

Originally posted by ViraCorp:

I won’t pretend to understand all of this. I’m just trying to follow along and learn. I guess what I don’t understand or what doesn’t seem to make sense is, if we’re saying it’s the game that’s causing the temperatures to hit that high, why is it only happening to some people and not everybody, I’m getting 60 FPS on a 4070 at around 66 to 68°C

it's a very complicated formula.
but if your graphics card consume more energy it basic makes more heat.
if your heat fins works bit less then optimal ΔT can really adds up.
your graphics card have a internal sensor that shutsdown it's GPU preventing damaging it.
if your graphics card is 90 degree's and keeps running fine anything works fine.
nothing to worry about they designed to run hot with lots of work load.

so if your graphics card have bit more resistance and your heat fin works a little less
you likely have like 3 to 5 Degree's more heat.

in software terms,
each software engine is a other type of flavor on flavor is bit more salty and request more work on the graphics CPU. while the other Flavor is bit more balanced on CPU

This is a nice explanation, but I would specify that even though 90 is within "safe operating range", it is not something that I, nor anyone else should be okay with.

It's terribly optimized. And personally, I'd think that this game would be CPU heavy -- not GPU heavy. But obviously I am mistaken.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by ViraCorp:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Before any more of you psuedo-IT techs try to give your two cents.

No other game made my GPU (or likely OP's GPU) get to this unsafe of a temp.

If this game is the only game that causes the GPU to spike in temp, then how on Earth do you even consider that its a problem with the GPU?

If all other game/gpu combos work fine EXCEPT this one -- how is it somehow the GPU's cooling failing?

"Your GPU's cooling must be failing for this specific game, and not any others"

It's not like the fans take a break or something.

Stupid asf.

I won’t pretend to understand all of this. I’m just trying to follow along and learn. I guess what I don’t understand or what doesn’t seem to make sense is, if we’re saying it’s the game that’s causing the temperatures to hit that high, why is it only happening to some people and not everybody, I’m getting 60 FPS on a 4070 at around 66 to 68°C

Are you getting stutters at all in that 60 FPS? I'm running mine off an M.2 with ample space, yet it still seems to stutter like no tomorrow.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by Abisha:

funny people all scream and shout here but their is absolute ZERO specifications of NVIDIA what specific state it's graphics cards getting damaged.

so other words if it's runs 200 Degree's it's fine because it's never stated which temperature
it should shutdown. and it's fully covered by guarantee

Also, its not always covered. Especially lately with the 40 series. Most of the time if there is some sort of thermal issue, Nvidia is more likely to call it "user error" than concede their product failed.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

I have multiple games that utilize my GPU above 90%. MSFS2020, Cyberpunk 2077, Kingdome come:Deliverence etc... But the temperature is not above 80c.

My GPU is also utilized over 90% on these games. Utilization is not, and has never been the issue. Utilization is fine.

But when the utilization stays at 100% constantly, and continues to only heat the GPU up more -- THEN we have an issue.

[HungryVessel]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

I have multiple games that utilize my GPU above 90%. MSFS2020, Cyberpunk 2077, Kingdome come:Deliverence etc... But the temperature is not above 80c.

My GPU is also utilized over 90% on these games. Utilization is not, and has never been the issue. Utilization is fine.

But when the utilization stays at 100% constantly, and continues to only heat the GPU up more -- THEN we have an issue.

So you came into the same conlusion that most of the people is telling you?
If you cannot keep temperature down under high load then it's cooling problem?

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

My GPU is also utilized over 90% on these games. Utilization is not, and has never been the issue. Utilization is fine.

But when the utilization stays at 100% constantly, and continues to only heat the GPU up more -- THEN we have an issue.

So you came into the same conlusion that most of the people is telling you?
If you cannot keep temperature down under high load then it's cooling problem?

If the software constantly and inefficiently uses the GPU, it will heat up unnecessarily.

I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Did you read what I commented? You seem to keep forming a completely incorrect conclusion from what I've been trying to say.

[Heisenquark]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

I have multiple games that utilize my GPU above 90%. MSFS2020, Cyberpunk 2077, Kingdome come:Deliverence etc... But the temperature is not above 80c.

My GPU is also utilized over 90% on these games. Utilization is not, and has never been the issue. Utilization is fine.

But when the utilization stays at 100% constantly, and continues to only heat the GPU up more -- THEN we have an issue.

If your software does not work at 100% utilization I would say that it is poorly programmed and does not get the maximum out of it. :)

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

My GPU is also utilized over 90% on these games. Utilization is not, and has never been the issue. Utilization is fine.

But when the utilization stays at 100% constantly, and continues to only heat the GPU up more -- THEN we have an issue.

So you came into the same conlusion that most of the people is telling you?
If you cannot keep temperature down under high load then it's cooling problem?

And for the last ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time. NO OTHER GAME CAUSES THIS LEVEL OF OVERHEATING. Jesus Christ, learn to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ read you moron.

[Radimov]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Originally posted by HungryVessel:

So you came into the same conlusion that most of the people is telling you?
If you cannot keep temperature down under high load then it's cooling problem?

And for the last ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time. NO OTHER GAME CAUSES THIS LEVEL OF OVERHEATING. Jesus Christ, learn to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ read you moron.

I have a 4070ti and I don't have those problems with the game.