my 4070ti is burning

[sand]

CPU: 5800x
GPU: 4070 ti
RAM: 32gb ram (ddr4-25600)
1440p

High preset - with empty city - 15~20 fps with 91 Celsius gpu temperture
Middle preset - with empty city - 45~55 fps with 86 Celsius gpu temperture

lol
seriously?

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by Bitula:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

If you smell evaporating water, that may suggest there is either a leak, or the liquid within your cooling system may be evaporating (which also suggests a leak).

Just keep an eye on it.

Not sure. The glass casing is hot, but not sure the scent is from the cooling water, maybe it is just from my ice tea sitting close the hot casing, lol. My question is generic: is stressing the GPU healthy for the card and its surrounding components or it is degrading them? This question is independent from what is causing the stress: good or bad code. I'm a programmer, so I agree that nowadays (2023) codes are mostly bad quality, copy-paste spaghetti. Long was the time when quality was a thing.

Runnign the GPU at 100% is absolutely fine. Technically it does stress the GPU a bit mroe than runnign at idle, but you can run the normal GPU chip at 100% rated load 24/7 for a literal decade without to much degradiation overall.
The only problem is if it gets to hot. as a simpel rule of thumb, anythign under 85 degrees is fine and without any relevant impact for an nvidia GPu, below 90-95 for an AMD one. If it goes above, every degree puts exponentialy more strain on the chip and it's lifetime. SO gettign hotter produces noticeable effects fast.
Still won't break your GPu right away, but if you see a GPU that died after 4 or 5 years, that was probably constantly running at high heat loads. Plus, if oyu go abvoe those temps oyu are likely gettign some form of thermal throttling going on in the background, so you are loosing lifetime in thel ong term, and output frames in the short term.

TL;DR: Cool your card sufficiently and utilisation will not have a measurable impact on it's lifetime for you, so don't worry about % load of the GPU. The only values that matter is Watts drawn as that will up your power bill, and temperature of the GPU as that slowly kills it above the threshold and reduces output.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by FlameWar:

Originally posted by Bitula:

Not sure. The glass casing is hot, but not sure the scent is from the cooling water, maybe it is just from my ice tea sitting close the hot casing, lol. My question is generic: is stressing the GPU healthy for the card and its surrounding components or it is degrading them? This question is independent from what is causing the stress: good or bad code. I'm a programmer, so I agree that nowadays (2023) codes are mostly bad quality, copy-paste spaghetti. Long was the time when quality was a thing.

Runnign the GPU at 100% is absolutely fine. Technically it does stress the GPU a bit mroe than runnign at idle, but you can run the normal GPU chip at 100% rated load 24/7 for a literal decade without to much degradiation overall.
The only problem is if it gets to hot. as a simpel rule of thumb, anythign under 85 degrees is fine and without any relevant impact for an nvidia GPu, below 90-95 for an AMD one. If it goes above, every degree puts exponentialy more strain on the chip and it's lifetime. SO gettign hotter produces noticeable effects fast.
Still won't break your GPu right away, but if you see a GPU that died after 4 or 5 years, that was probably constantly running at high heat loads. Plus, if oyu go abvoe those temps oyu are likely gettign some form of thermal throttling going on in the background, so you are loosing lifetime in thel ong term, and output frames in the short term.

TL;DR: Cool your card sufficiently and utilisation will not have a measurable impact on it's lifetime for you, so don't worry about % load of the GPU. The only values that matter is Watts drawn as that will up your power bill, and temperature of the GPU as that slowly kills it above the threshold and reduces output.

You put this very well. I think we can find some common ground here.

This game should not be causing such high utilization, and in turn, such high temps. My GPU is non in active danger of instant destruction, but it is in danger of degradation.

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

You put this very well. I think we can find some common ground here.

This game should not be causing such high utilization, and in turn, such high temps. My GPU is non in active danger of instant destruction, but it is in danger of degradation.

Wasn't directed to oyu, but one last simpel try:
What will you do in the future, when you play some game with actual high end graphics that you want to enjoy, that puts your GPU at 100% use of the major part (not just by bottlenecking on a lower wattage component)?
YOur GPU will get just as hot as it does in CS2 currently, but without the option of the desv optimising that game more, as it'll already be decently optimised. SO, will oyu just not play it? Reduce setting? Reduce Framerate? Or actually adjust your cooling so oyur card does not get as hot?

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by FlameWar:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

You put this very well. I think we can find some common ground here.

This game should not be causing such high utilization, and in turn, such high temps. My GPU is non in active danger of instant destruction, but it is in danger of degradation.

Wasn't directed to oyu, but one last simpel try:
What will you do in the future, when you play some game with actual high end graphics that you want to enjoy, that puts your GPU at 100% use of the major part (not just by bottlenecking on a lower wattage component)?
YOur GPU will get just as hot as it does in CS2 currently, but without the option of the desv optimising that game more, as it'll already be decently optimised. SO, will oyu just not play it? Reduce setting? Reduce Framerate? Or actually adjust your cooling so oyur card does not get as hot?

FlameWar, google the LOD issues that this game has. It renders citizens down to the individual tooth.

Normally, devs won’t release games that literally function better as space heaters than city builders.

It’s poor optimization. If cyber punk with path tracing can run at an acceptable temperature, this game has no excuse.

I can run high end games quite easily. If every other game runs well, and runs cool, then this is the outlier — and therefore the problem.

I figure that’s as simpel as I can make it for you.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by FlameWar:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

You put this very well. I think we can find some common ground here.

This game should not be causing such high utilization, and in turn, such high temps. My GPU is non in active danger of instant destruction, but it is in danger of degradation.

Wasn't directed to oyu, but one last simpel try:
What will you do in the future, when you play some game with actual high end graphics that you want to enjoy, that puts your GPU at 100% use of the major part (not just by bottlenecking on a lower wattage component)?
YOur GPU will get just as hot as it does in CS2 currently, but without the option of the desv optimising that game more, as it'll already be decently optimised. SO, will oyu just not play it? Reduce setting? Reduce Framerate? Or actually adjust your cooling so oyur card does not get as hot?

They updated their terrible LOD and now my rig runs cool and smoothly. I told you it was an issue with their game, yet you insisted it was a hardware issue.

I hope this helps you learn some humility.

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

They updated their terrible LOD and now my rig runs cool and smoothly. I told you it was an issue with their game, yet you insisted it was a hardware issue.

I hope this helps you learn some humility.

Point me to where I said that the game was optimised, that it was fine as is, or that the dev's don't need to optimize the game. Please quote me the instance where I said that.

You can't because I never said that anywhere. Learn to bloody read. Yes the game is not optimised at all. No, if your card gets to hot when running at 100% then you either overclocked it, or your cooling is ♥♥♥♥.
I cannot fathom what is so hard to understand about the fact that those are two seperate issues.
ALso, you did not answer the question. What will you do if you want to play an awesome lookign game that pushes your card to full load and wattage draw because it actualls is that visualy impressive?

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by FlameWar:

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

They updated their terrible LOD and now my rig runs cool and smoothly. I told you it was an issue with their game, yet you insisted it was a hardware issue.

I hope this helps you learn some humility.

Point me to where I said that the game was optimised, that it was fine as is, or that the dev's don't need to optimize the game. Please quote me the instance where I said that.

You can't because I never said that anywhere. Learn to bloody read. Yes the game is not optimised at all. No, if your card gets to hot when running at 100% then you either overclocked it, or your cooling is ♥♥♥♥.
I cannot fathom what is so hard to understand about the fact that those are two seperate issues.
ALso, you did not answer the question. What will you do if you want to play an awesome lookign game that pushes your card to full load and wattage draw because it actualls is that visualy impressive?

Alright my friend. Think about it this way.

I was playing it the other day. 90C in the main menu.

I'm playing it today, max graphics, and I haven't even gotten over 68C.

Maybe my cooling magically fixed itself in the same instant they released a performance update that was more than a gigabyte.

Thanks Paradox for upgrading my PC's cooling with this new update! (Your silly logic)

And if I want to play a game that's visually impressive -- I just click "Play" on it, and it runs perfectly. No other developer has released a game with such glaring and dangerous performance issues. Paradox should be ashamed.

Even Cyberpunk with path tracing (a game that is "actually visually impressive" does not get my PC hot at all.

So there is some disconnect in your logic somewhere, and its a bit mind boggling you haven't caught that yet.

Did this latest CS2 patch install liquid cooling into my PC? Is that what you're implying? That my cooling magically improved?

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

Alright my friend. Think about it this way.

I was playing it the other day. 90C in the main menu.

I'm playing it today, max graphics, and I haven't even gotten over 68C.

Maybe my cooling magically fixed itself in the same instant they released a performance update that was more than a gigabyte.

Thanks Paradox for upgrading my PC's cooling with this new update! (Your silly logic)

And if I want to play a game that's visually impressive -- I just click "Play" on it, and it runs perfectly. No other developer has released a game with such glaring and dangerous performance issues. Paradox should be ashamed.

Even Cyberpunk with path tracing (a game that is "actually visually impressive" does not get my PC hot at all.

So there is some disconnect in your logic somewhere, and its a bit mind boggling you haven't caught that yet.

Did this latest CS2 patch install liquid cooling into my PC? Is that what you're implying? That my cooling magically improved?

Have you ever heard of the concept of 'Bottlenecks'? Insteado fwatchign the % of load on your Graphcis Card, which will only show the load on the single msot used part of it, take a look at the wattage your card draws.
In your Cyberpunk example with RT enabled, Nvidias Raytracing uses specific dedicated hardware accelerators. Thsoe have limtied capacity, independent of the main GPU chip. If your GPU chip can run Cybperunk at 100 FPS, and your RT chip can only run 60 RT frames a second, your main GPU chip will only run 60 Frames, as it owuld be poitnless to run more. Hence why your card will show 100% usage, despite the main GPU (and other parts) not runnign at 100%, since there is a bottleneck.
Just like your CPU will not run at full power draw when your GPU is the bottleneck or vice versa.

Also, yes, you are 100% right, they did improve performance since launch. That has nothign to do with your coolign though, that simpyl reduces power draw. FOr a simpel comaprison, go to Nvidias website, and check what they list as max pwoer draw of your Card. Then run a full balanced GPU stress test, and watch it hit and stay at that power draw. Then watch your cooling.
YOu will see that your temps go way up, because your coolign is insufficient in some way, and unable to disipate the full heat geenrated by the card, despite it runnign at exactly the limtis Nvidia designed the card to run at.

That is like you sending me out to buy a bottle of milk, and when i come back you notice we already had milk, you just forgot. Should oyu have send me out for it? no. Is it your fault that the drive to the supermarket was bumpy because of potholes? no, since you are not responsible for the street maintenance.
Simialr case here. CO is responsible for optimising the game, and they need to do far mroe of that. You are responsible for the cooling of oyur pc. those two are independent issues that have no relation to each other.

[Turd Ferguson]

The thing is -- your argument is based entirely around the fact that I complained about my temps being at 90C.

That is well within safe temperatures, but I know there is ZERO chance that the game should be using that many resources.

Now that they've fixed their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coding, the game runs correctly, and my GPU runs cooler.

At no point did my GPU reach an unsafe temperature that would even cause throttling. My entire argument was that Paradox did a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ job, and that their coding was what caused my rig to get to 90C.

I was 100% right, and nothing you can say can prove otherwise.

[FlameWar]

Originally posted by Turd Ferguson:

The thing is -- your argument is based entirely around the fact that I complained about my temps being at 90C.

That is well within safe temperatures, but I know there is ZERO chance that the game should be using that many resources.

Now that they've fixed their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coding, the game runs correctly, and my GPU runs cooler.

At no point did my GPU reach an unsafe temperature that would even cause throttling. My entire argument was that Paradox did a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ job, and that their coding was what caused my rig to get to 90C.

I was 100% right, and nothing you can say can prove otherwise.

first of, sorry on the slight misundertanding of the temps, mixed your temps up with someone elses in here that were higher.

However, you are arguing two independen things still.

1) The game is unoptimized and should not cause your card to draw x amoutn of Watts. Totaly correct.

2) The game causes your card to reach y Temperature.
Incorrect. Your cooling is responsible for managign your cards temperature.

All the game does is create work and hand it to your cards drivers. Your drivers decide how much of said work to run per time ,and thus how much watt it consumes and heat it produces. Your cooling then takes care of said heat. If you don't like your temps in this game, you won't like them in other games where it might be more justified that your card draws x amount of power.
So your temps are cooling related, not game related. You (and the OP originaly) are essentialy complaining about the wrong thing, which

a) might cover an actuall issue that needs to be taken care of, or it might break the card for some here whose cards got to hot.

b) also poitns to the wrong thigns to fix. If all you care about is temps, the devs could throw in a blocker that runs the game on full power to check how many FPS that produces for a few seconds then cap the game from ever throwing that much work at the GPU by capping frames below that.
That would fix the card gettign hot while playing the game, but would do nothign to fix the actuall problem, namely optimisation.