Why do people have a problem with paradox mods?

[lathrix army]

They that they would never charge any money for mods and they can be brought over multiple platforms if you play on multiple, plus you can easily access it through steam, Xbox, epic, Xbox PC I dont see the issue with not doing steam workshop because it also centralizes the mods to one place so mod makers dont need to post and update their mod multiple times this seem like only a bonus

[CoLD__FuSioNzZ]

When I played HOI4, Europa, Crusader Kings etc. on game pass, even (before it was removed) and you had to use CO mod system, it wasn't bad at all. They allowed so many mods that changed up the game and even have mods on there that have features close to what came in a DLC, even a complete overhaul of the game is allowed.

I struggle to see how they will dictate what can and can not be uploaded as from my experience this has never been the case at all. It's a very good system they have built already (Not as good as the steam mod system) but it's already really good as you just choose what play-set you want to play, and in a click of the button that play-set loads up very quickly, with no problems at all. It's a bummer this wasn't said earlier in the promotional campaign as I'd already spent £40 thinking the mod support would be Steam based, when i could have just downloaded it on Game pass, but I believe the mod support will be good. I have no concerns on my part.

[Apples]

Escrito originalmente por CoLD__FuSioNzZ:

When I played HOI4, Europa, Crusader Kings etc. on game pass, even (before it was removed) and you had to use CO mod system, it wasn't bad at all. They allowed so many mods that changed up the game and even have mods on there that have features close to what came in a DLC, even a complete overhaul of the game is allowed.

I struggle to see how they will dictate what can and can not be uploaded as from my experience this has never been the case at all. It's a very good system they have built already (Not as good as the steam mod system) but it's already really good as you just choose what play-set you want to play, and in a click of the button that play-set loads up very quickly, with no problems at all. It's a bummer this wasn't said earlier in the promotional campaign as I'd already spent £40 thinking the mod support would be Steam based, when i could have just downloaded it on Game pass, but I believe the mod support will be good. I have no concerns on my part.

And you honestly don't think they will try the Bethesda route at all? i seriously don't see Paradox not doing, as they will see it as a way of making money, it might not happen for CS2, but once they have everyone there, and people are used to it... what would stop them?

[CoLD__FuSioNzZ]

Yes, I really do believe they won't charge for mods. They never have in the past, even with HOI4, one of, if not, their most popular game ever, they never charged for mods. Their system isn't a new thing, it's been around for years and they have never charged for mods...ever.

They know, just as much as anyone that entrapping a community and then suddenly changing you model is going to kill your reputation. CO and Bethesda are two polar opposite companies. Bethesda I can completely believe would do it, but CO has always been a company that has been transparent, clear and open with what they do. So through my experience of being a massive CO player, I do feel they won't abuse this system.

[Apples]

Escrito originalmente por CoLD__FuSioNzZ:

Yes, I really do believe they won't charge for mods. They never have in the past, even with HOI4, one of, if not, their most popular game ever, they never charged for mods. Their system isn't a new thing, it's been around for years and they have never charged for mods...ever.

They know, just as much as anyone that entrapping a community and then suddenly changing you model is going to kill your reputation. CO and Bethesda are two polar opposite companies. Bethesda I can completely believe would do it, but CO has always been a company that has been transparent, clear and open with what they do. So through my experience of being a massive CO player, I do feel they won't abuse this system.

Transparent? i suppose they had to tell people about the performance and the workshop thing.. right at the last push.

Performance could be forgiven as they were trying to resolve it, but no steam workshop? could have been said so much earlier.


When it comes to making money, i don't put it past anyone to try and bleed the customer dry at somepoint... btw it's Paradox that will probably have the final say, whether CO wants it or not..

[CoLD__FuSioNzZ]

I agree that they should have said about the mod support a lot sooner, I don't dispute that. I just feel it's not going to be as big of a deal as people think. If they do pull a Bethesda then they deserve the same fate as them, and even know, they're still picking up the pieces all these years later. But time will tell I guess.

[Enterprofilenamehere]

Because it's yet another account and password to remember to add to the hundreds I already have that are only artificially required because of a company's own self-interests.

[Apples]

Escrito originalmente por Enterprofilenamehere:

Because it's yet another account and password to remember to add to the hundreds I already have that are only artificially required because of a company's own self-interests.

Tell me about it!

[Anmaril]

They just let people decide. Support both as usual. If the platform is better, works, and is not used to monetize the ♥♥♥♥ out of work of people they don't pay for that work, fine. But I am not a fan of exclusivity, no matter where. Steam is already bad enough in this regard, it doesn't have to get worse by doing the same to mods.

[Apples]

Escrito originalmente por Anmaril:

Steam is already bad enough in this regard, it doesn't have to get worse by doing the same to mods.

The only trouble is Steam doesn't have to buy exclusives, has it ever? it's just basically a DRM Platform that every Publisher and Developer jumped too, non of them can complain about Steams 30% take when they all jumped onto that bandwagon, not one.

They basically corralled every possible customer to Steam, no matter if you wanted to or not, as a gamer you practically were forced too if you wanted to continue gaming.


I dislike Steam, but if it wasn't for Steam we wouldn't have the small and indie devs, as Steam helped that flourish for better or worse.

But yeah Steam doesn't have to do anything, the Publishers, the Developers and finally the Consumer, saw to that.



Oh and lets not forget Microsoft's attempt, and flop, "Games for Windows Live". (Steam is more preferable than Microsoft, believe me on that.)

[Anmaril]

Publishers also complained, when they are refusing to build and maintain the same infrastructure necessary. Other publisher's exclusive launchers are laughable in what they offer. And Steam, from what I know, does not charge concurrent fees to keep the title on the platform.

There is GoG as well, which has Galaxy, their own optional launcher. But it is far from offering the same catalogue. All DRM free though.

[Brohan Creates]

Escrito originalmente por Apples:

Escrito originalmente por Anmaril:

Steam is already bad enough in this regard, it doesn't have to get worse by doing the same to mods.

The only trouble is Steam doesn't have to buy exclusives, has it ever? it's just basically a DRM Platform that every Publisher and Developer jumped too, non of them can complain about Steams 30% take when they all jumped onto that bandwagon, not one.

They basically corralled every possible customer to Steam, no matter if you wanted to or not, as a gamer you practically were forced too if you wanted to continue gaming.


I dislike Steam, but if it wasn't for Steam we wouldn't have the small and indie devs, as Steam helped that flourish for better or worse.

But yeah Steam doesn't have to do anything, the Publishers, the Developers and finally the Consumer, saw to that.

I agree with this statement. Sad part is, rumors is Steam is being looked on as monopolizing game selling and 2 or 3 law firms have already started lawsuits against them for people to get their money back AND keep the games. More than likely Valve will be going back to game development. I don't see steam lasting forever. And when that happens, yeah we will be stuck with having a ♥♥♥♥ LOAD of gaming platforms on our PC that we will have to deal with (ie EA app, Ubisoft Connect, Microsoft Store, PS Play, Paradox Launcher, etc.)

It sucks, but it is what it is. Unless someone does a UNILATERAL platform that you can just load any of your games you own on any sort of app and then just install it into that one, thats what the outlook is for PC gaming.

[Apples]

Escrito originalmente por Anmaril:

Publishers also complained, when they are refusing to build and maintain the same infrastructure necessary. Other publisher's exclusive launchers are laughable in what they offer. And Steam, from what I know, does not charge concurrent fees to keep the title on the platform.

There is GoG as well, which has Galaxy, their own optional launcher. But it is far from offering the same catalogue. All DRM free though.

Yeah i use GOG, i have a bigger library on there than i do here, but as a DRM-Free platform, does not have the same weight behind it.

I have Epic Games, but never paid for a game, all free, and thats at like 100+ and i was
late to the party at that. I ain't supporting Epics "exclusive" practices, and trying to take the moral highground against Steams 30% (has that ever changed?).


As for Origin and Uplay, i have accounts for both, but i don't really use them, had them before they came back to Steam, and yeah their launchers were ♥♥♥♥♥, struggled like ♥♥♥♥ to get games to download, Uplay spammed you with ads originally that were blocked by ublock origin, i had to report it a few times to get them to change it.

Escrito originalmente por GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

I agree with this statement. Sad part is, rumors is Steam is being looked on as monopolizing game selling and 2 or 3 law firms have already started lawsuits against them for people to get their money back AND keep the games. More than likely Valve will be going back to game development. I don't see steam lasting forever. And when that happens, yeah we will be stuck with having a ♥♥♥♥ LOAD of gaming platforms on our PC that we will have to deal with (ie EA app, Ubisoft Connect, Microsoft Store, PS Play, Paradox Launcher, etc.)

It sucks, but it is what it is. Unless someone does a UNILATERAL platform that you can just load any of your games you own on any sort of app and then just install it into that one, thats what the outlook is for PC gaming.

GOG and their Galaxy app allows you to link your accounts so you can just use Galaxy afaik, i never tried it though.


I don't see Steam disappearing, it's too integrated, but there is always a chance in the future ♥♥♥♥ happens and it goes kaput, and i do wonder what would happen to your old list of games...

[Brohan Creates]

Escrito originalmente por Apples:

Escrito originalmente por GohanF22 #VivaLaRevolutionUSA:

I agree with this statement. Sad part is, rumors is Steam is being looked on as monopolizing game selling and 2 or 3 law firms have already started lawsuits against them for people to get their money back AND keep the games. More than likely Valve will be going back to game development. I don't see steam lasting forever. And when that happens, yeah we will be stuck with having a ♥♥♥♥ LOAD of gaming platforms on our PC that we will have to deal with (ie EA app, Ubisoft Connect, Microsoft Store, PS Play, Paradox Launcher, etc.)

It sucks, but it is what it is. Unless someone does a UNILATERAL platform that you can just load any of your games you own on any sort of app and then just install it into that one, thats what the outlook is for PC gaming.

GOG and their Galaxy app allows you to link your accounts so you can just use Galaxy afaik, i never tried it though.


I don't see Steam disappearing, it's too integrated, but there is always a chance in the future ♥♥♥♥ happens and it goes kaput, and i do wonder what would happen to your old list of games...

It go to a cloud server of some sort more than likely if they get shutdown that is monitored by an OUTSIDE source if they get into trouble with this Monopolizing thing going on. You won't lose anything or any games. I dont see steam going under yet, but as I said, I don't see this lasting forever when they have already taken flak from developers taking too much of the cut on profits and again having devs price stuff to high for what they should be which is literally on steam, not the devs. Found that out when I did research. So i give it maybe 5-10 years we won't see steam anymore and all games you own will be on a cloud of some sort of your own.

Anyway, im fine with paradox mods cause I know they are trying to do this cause they will launch this on consoles and only way for consoles to also have mods is through this paradox mods thing. Otherwise, they won't. Why Bethesda did that creative mods thing so consoles can have mods too.

[Tyogenes]

i dont want to pay for mods.

[Enterprofilenamehere]

Escrito originalmente por Der Honkster:

i dont want to pay for mods.

The devs have said that Paradox mods will always be free. The only paid "mods" will be content creator packs which are really just DLC rather than mods.

They could break that promise but I seriously doubt they would as it would be commercial suicide.