Is it the time to ditch Paradox?

[ali]

With the immense negative reviews on performance, do you think it is time to ditch Paradox?

EA closed Maxxis since the flop of Simcity 5. I think, EA must seize the opportunity to revive Simcity and do not repeat the same mistakes again. Simcity must lead again.

There is an another city builder coming next year, Manor Lords. Even it is different from Cities Skylines, we will get a mixture of Banished, Age of Empires and Civilization from it.

Look, many benchmarks show that on Medium settings, on 1080p, with RTX4090 and i9 12th generation CPU, you will not get above 40 fps on average. Even after the recent patch. Watch Nexus Gamer review on YouTube.

This proves the minimum requirements of Cities Skylines are totally ridiculous. If a RTX4090, with a CPU of i9 12th generation, with 64Gb RAM are giving below 40 FPS on average on 1080p and on Medium settings, well, friends, that's a complete failure on performance. It is showing that the minimum requirement is in fact RTX4090 LOL. Even if you pair 2 RTX4090, you will not even get 60 FPS on average.

Paradox released a few optimization tips for extra FPS. Another ridiculous solutions. They recommended to lower your resolution to 1080p. Seriously? That's an insult to those 2k and 4k GPU owners. The 30 FPS limitation is another ridiculous factor as it will not stay forever. The more your city grows, the less FPS will be.

A question, how these developers tested the game? I do not buy it that they were not aware it will be a disaster. They tested it, they knew it, still they released it.

So, Paradox, I am ditching you. I am saying a big goodbye to you. I am considering other franchises like the upcoming Anno, Manor Lords, or even the small rival, Highrise City. And why not, still have a hope on Simcity?

I am expecting negative comments on my opinions, bring them.

And those who agree with me, thank you.

[Andy1050r]

Enjoy.......Its not an airport. With a few setting tweaks I am having a nice experience with an old 8700k and a 3090tI. No need for the 4090 to play it well. I guess i was just lucky with my setup. Why do you need more than 40fps ?

[spielerinchen]

it's def time to be realistic & cautious about Paradox, that time was already here as they pushed for the useless launcher.

& with your hope for Electronic Arts to do about Sim City anything other than cash in on their mobile version, your naive. they push every game into mobile, mobile is where their core nvestment & core revenue is.
just cause Paradox went to the evil side doesn't make Electronic Arts any better.

[tycoonmike]

You realize that the reason Maxis ended up in the state that it's in is precisely because of the conditions of the video game industry of the mid-90s, right? Where a string of bad releases, or in some cases a single bad release, could spell the end of a company? People remember SimCity 2000 and 3000, but they don't remember the myriad games and tools-masquerading-as-games they released.

SimEarth? SimAnt? SimHealth? SimFarm? SimCopter? Streets of SimCity? Their other games like Full Tilt! Pinball and Tony La Russa Baseball? Nothing ever got to the same lofty heights that the SimCity series did. If anything, they soaked up valuable development assets and cash to the point that acquisition by EA was the only thing that kept the company afloat until the release of The Sims.

[100_Series_Lexus]

Originally posted by ali:

With the immense negative reviews on performance, do you think it is time to ditch Paradox?

EA closed Maxxis since the flop of Simcity 5. I think, EA must seize the opportunity to revive Simcity and do not repeat the same mistakes again. Simcity must lead again.

There is an another city builder coming next year, Manor Lords. Even it is different from Cities Skylines, we will get a mixture of Banished, Age of Empires and Civilization from it.

Look, many benchmarks show that on Medium settings, on 1080p, with RTX4090 and i9 12th generation CPU, you will not get above 40 fps on average. Even after the recent patch. Watch Nexus Gamer review on YouTube.

This proves the minimum requirements of Cities Skylines are totally ridiculous. If a RTX4090, with a CPU of i9 12th generation, with 64Gb RAM are giving below 40 FPS on average on 1080p and on Medium settings, well, friends, that's a complete failure on performance. It is showing that the minimum requirement is in fact RTX4090 LOL. Even if you pair 2 RTX4090, you will not even get 60 FPS on average.

Paradox released a few optimization tips for extra FPS. Another ridiculous solutions. They recommended to lower your resolution to 1080p. Seriously? That's an insult to those 2k and 4k GPU owners. The 30 FPS limitation is another ridiculous factor as it will not stay forever. The more your city grows, the less FPS will be.

A question, how these developers tested the game? I do not buy it that they were not aware it will be a disaster. They tested it, they knew it, still they released it.

So, Paradox, I am ditching you. I am saying a big goodbye to you. I am considering other franchises like the upcoming Anno, Manor Lords, or even the small rival, Highrise City. And why not, still have a hope on Simcity?

I am expecting negative comments on my opinions, bring them.

And those who agree with me, thank you.

You literally spent what it costs to take a girl out to dinner on a game that's designed with the next 5-10 years in mind. If you even bought it. You could just be repeating hear-say

Not sure if you were here for CS1 before all the patches, mods and DLC's, but that game was completely different at release than it is now.

It's running fine for me and I'm greatly enjoying it, about 80 hours on it so far. A few cities between 60-90k pop. No lags or studders, buttery smooth scrolling and traffic. DOF and Blur turned off, everything else set to high except volumetric. Running at the resolution just below 4k. Can't recall off the top of my head. It looks sharp.

I have a 3060, 32 gb ram, and a 20 gig page file on the SSD my games on for virtural ram. (not sure if that even does anything). It can be optimized better, but it's definitely playable and enjoyable.

I'm looking forward to seeing the game further optimized, the upcoming free asset pack and upcoming mods and DLC's with more content. If they actually didn't care, there wouldn't be a patch already.

Go outside for a month or two and come back when it's patched better.

Posting to say you're leaving is pointless.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Nowhere]

I look forward to Manor lords too. But that is a different itch of city building. I play on a low end requirement pc right now and its smooth. Already 24 hours played and i can see is so much better at the groundwork. Needs a lot of polish but i can just wait a bit more for patches.

[Electricbluebee]

Do you think your response is proportionate to the general success of Paradox games as a whole?

[Sedgendary]

Originally posted by spielerinchen:

it's def time to be realistic & cautious about Paradox, that time was already here as they pushed for the useless launcher.

You should be realistic and cautious with any purchase you make also the paradox launcher is not part of the Windows store version so yet another reason to play via Game Pass

[Lo Burattino]

"ditch" ...

You just shouldn't be loyal to any brand and always be careful about their releases, especially if they fill their games with paid DLCs

[Big Chewy™]

Originally posted by ali:

With the immense negative reviews on performance, do you think it is time to ditch Paradox?

EA closed Maxxis since the flop of Simcity 5. I think, EA must seize the opportunity to revive Simcity and do not repeat the same mistakes again. Simcity must lead again.

There is an another city builder coming next year, Manor Lords. Even it is different from Cities Skylines, we will get a mixture of Banished, Age of Empires and Civilization from it.

Look, many benchmarks show that on Medium settings, on 1080p, with RTX4090 and i9 12th generation CPU, you will not get above 40 fps on average. Even after the recent patch. Watch Nexus Gamer review on YouTube.

This proves the minimum requirements of Cities Skylines are totally ridiculous. If a RTX4090, with a CPU of i9 12th generation, with 64Gb RAM are giving below 40 FPS on average on 1080p and on Medium settings, well, friends, that's a complete failure on performance. It is showing that the minimum requirement is in fact RTX4090 LOL. Even if you pair 2 RTX4090, you will not even get 60 FPS on average.

Paradox released a few optimization tips for extra FPS. Another ridiculous solutions. They recommended to lower your resolution to 1080p. Seriously? That's an insult to those 2k and 4k GPU owners. The 30 FPS limitation is another ridiculous factor as it will not stay forever. The more your city grows, the less FPS will be.

A question, how these developers tested the game? I do not buy it that they were not aware it will be a disaster. They tested it, they knew it, still they released it.

So, Paradox, I am ditching you. I am saying a big goodbye to you. I am considering other franchises like the upcoming Anno, Manor Lords, or even the small rival, Highrise City. And why not, still have a hope on Simcity?

I am expecting negative comments on my opinions, bring them.

And those who agree with me, thank you.

A new SimCity title would be at least 3 years away if EA started tomorrow. If you ditch paradox, and you were confident that the new Simcity development would be good, you still have three years without a city builder. So, no it is not time to ditch paradox.

[DarthMalak]

If you look at the last 3 releases from Paradox they don't need ditching.. It is already done. But yet with this game, even though with alll the endless complaining, they are still no. 1. or 2 on the steam sales list.. So I don't think paradox is really feeling this dissapointment in their wallets.

[Creamy P1e Skwert]

This guy is lying.

[Finaldest]

CO and CS1 took the crown from simcity by sheer luck. It was only down to EA stupidity that simcity failed, CS2 could easily follow the same fate if Paradox are not careful

I would also not be surprised if EA announced a new game in the near future as SC2013 is 10 years old. and CS1 demonstrated that there is a sizeable market for city builder games in general so would have had plenty of time to start development on a new iteration. EA don't like leaving money on the table.

You never know. It might just happen.

[DaddyJokee]

TLDR: but in terms of just the title of this, yes, yes it is. Not because CS2 being in the state it is, but because of Paradox's DLC strategy, where you end up spending 100s of dollars on any one of their games. Unless you wise up and rent the damn things

[Ryan]

The freaking problem is not the Performance which they gonna fix. It is the lack of content that existed in CS1.
They managed to make a worse successor.
Also the committed fraud

[Derbtastic]

Originally posted by tycoonmike:

You realize that the reason Maxis ended up in the state that it's in is precisely because of the conditions of the video game industry of the mid-90s, right? Where a string of bad releases, or in some cases a single bad release, could spell the end of a company? People remember SimCity 2000 and 3000, but they don't remember the myriad games and tools-masquerading-as-games they released.

SimEarth? SimAnt? SimHealth? SimFarm? SimCopter? Streets of SimCity? Their other games like Full Tilt! Pinball and Tony La Russa Baseball? Nothing ever got to the same lofty heights that the SimCity series did. If anything, they soaked up valuable development assets and cash to the point that acquisition by EA was the only thing that kept the company afloat until the release of The Sims.

As a gamer from the 90s I’m ashamed I forgot all about those titles.