Really... High POLY Teeth!!!!

[Kilo_60]

Read an article that examined the game files and made a discovery that each individual tooth of each Citizen/NPC is modeled!

And you wonder why this game has such poor performance?

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/cities-skylines-2-players-expose-high-poly-teeth-as-the-reason-for-performance-issues-2355255/

[evanloohaklm]

Ever heard of LOD?

[Althazar]

Also as I've pointed out for modders, zoned buildings have a tri budget of 3000 to 95000 tris now.

Does a trailer home or a little corner shop really need that much detail?

[Scaristotle]

Yeah, I read that. Dat shine, lol.

[Sir Samson]

someone needs to post how many polygons the teeth are!!!

[Sacb0y]

There's legitimately no way to test if the teeth are visible miles away in game cause they could be entirely culled instead of having an LOD and you wouldn't know.

all people know is they have teeth.

The amount of ♥♥♥♥ people just make up is absurd.

[Project_Rising_Sun]

Damn, I laughed loudly. Thank you for your investigation and discovery :D

[Haristess]

the point the OP is making is that the Article states, that the game does not have LOD models for the teeth, and probably the same could be said for all the sims themselves.

This may mean, that being zoomed out enough to see the sims walking on pavements, would be 1 high poly mesh per sim.

It is possible that the teeth are culled, however, putting that aside, whqt about the sim mesh itself. if that has no LOD models either, then its not just the mouth but everything else too.
the article also states that.

[Althazar]

Originally posted by Haristess:

the point the OP is making is that the Article states, that the game does not have LOD models for the teeth, and probably the same could be said for all the sims themselves.

This may mean, that being zoomed out enough to see the sims walking on pavements, would be 1 high poly mesh per sim.

It is possible that the teeth are culled, however, putting that aside, whqt about the sim mesh itself. if that has no LOD models either, then its not just the mouth but everything else too.
the article also states that.

Really it's not just citizens either; all the buildings, vehicles, trees, and props are also probably not optimized and do not have LODs.

Having all these high poly models spawn in the game and need rendering in real time is going to take a toll on performance. I guess CO forget they are not Pixar and that they don't need to model every little thing.

[Phantasmicality]

not to mention, *why do we need modeled teeth on a cim*

[Project_Rising_Sun]

Originally posted by Taiyu86:

not to mention, *why do we need modeled teeth on a cim*

well, cims are people as well, and they are proud of their teeth insurance.

[Haristess]

Originally posted by Althazar:

Originally posted by Haristess:

the point the OP is making is that the Article states, that the game does not have LOD models for the teeth, and probably the same could be said for all the sims themselves.

This may mean, that being zoomed out enough to see the sims walking on pavements, would be 1 high poly mesh per sim.

It is possible that the teeth are culled, however, putting that aside, whqt about the sim mesh itself. if that has no LOD models either, then its not just the mouth but everything else too.
the article also states that.

Really it's not just citizens either; all the buildings, vehicles, trees, and props are also probably not optimized and do not have LODs.

Having all these high poly models spawn in the game and need rendering in real time is going to take a toll on performance. I guess CO forget they are not Pixar and that they don't need to model every little thing.

oof.
if thats the case. ouch.
this game has been seriously rushed.

Theres nothing wrong with modelling every little thing. thats what brings a city to life, however not having LOD's for any model, ouchy. Thats like a golden rule for a city builder. would be a different arguement if they used unreal 5, using nanite though.

The hilarious thought, is that, if this game had LOD's, being zoomed in you could easily have far more high polygon counts, for higher details, and add objects with distance cull.

[Althazar]

Originally posted by Taiyu86:

not to mention, *why do we need modeled teeth on a cim*

There was an article about citizens where they pointed out they used 3rd party software that was mostly intended for character modeling to make the citizens. I'm guessing that given CO's rather small team, they probably do not have that many dedicated 3d modelers on the team and probably rely on a lot of 3rd party stuff for the art assets.

Which would explain why everything is so high poly in the first place and looks the way it does, and it sucks, but at the same time, what can you do when you literally lack the people to make art assets (outside of outsourcing)?

[macluk]

I believe it brings more tris on a single ball, never mind a sack of them...
I'm sure I could see them from a distance of 2 km...
LOD... I mean LOL
pfffff

[Sacb0y]

Originally posted by Haristess:

the point the OP is making is that the Article states, that the game does not have LOD models for the teeth, and probably the same could be said for all the sims themselves.

This may mean, that being zoomed out enough to see the sims walking on pavements, would be 1 high poly mesh per sim.

It is possible that the teeth are culled, however, putting that aside, whqt about the sim mesh itself. if that has no LOD models either, then its not just the mouth but everything else too.
the article also states that.

A model does not need an LOD all the time, sometimes you can just cull the entire object (like the teeth) cause you don't need to render it and it can't be seen otherwise.

LOD's may also be generated at run time.

And given some of the building LoD's I've seen plenty could be automatically generated :P

[Phantasmicality]

Originally posted by Project_Rising_Sun:

Originally posted by Taiyu86:

not to mention, *why do we need modeled teeth on a cim*

well, cims are people as well, and they are proud of their teeth insurance.

ahhahhahah as if they got a clinic :sob: