The map sizes are small.

[Creamy P1e Skwert]

Cities Skylines 2 maps are tiny. In comparison to cities skylines. The new game has only 159km squared of buildable spaces, now this is 61 square miles, this is a tiny map. In comparison Cities Skylines had 324 square Km of buildable areas, or 125sq. Miles.

This means that cities skylines is double the size of the new game. Now someone will argue that the game is fun. What does that have to do with the Map sizes?

P.S. I meant 81 tiles =324 sq. Km.

I don't know if mods will be able to add onto the map sizes if the ground is not buildable outside the game border region, if it's not, we're stuck with a tiny map.

[Ritsuka]

Originally posted by Hugh:

Originally posted by CreamyCowJuice:

And you retracted your first statements for what reason? When you called me a liar when I said the map size was 159 square km

Not calling anyone a liar, but i believe at this point we can all infer from the video that the map is somewhat larger than 159 sq.km. I also believe that there is no reason what-so-ever to think that those who claim that CS2 maps are five times larger have any greater grasp of the truth than any other.

If you know what size the maps really are and can prove it say so. If not then for the love of all that's holy let CCJ have his say and move on.

i can devs have said maps are 5x bigger. twice now in two different dev diaries. also maps arent the tiles like many (op) seem to think the tiles are the bulidable spots.

[Hugh]

Originally posted by Ritsuka:

Originally posted by Hugh:

If you know what size the maps really are and can prove it say so. If not then for the love of all that's holy let CCJ have his say and move on.

i can devs have said maps are 5x bigger. twice now in two different dev diaries. also maps arent the tiles like many (op) seem to think the tiles are the bulidable spots.

Nice try :) but no cigar.... You make the mistake of thinking curiosity equals actual concern.

You'll need to do way better or get up way earlier or dive way deeper or come up way drier to spring that trap here.

Always remember. If You don't want them to catch your scent, you always want to face upstream.

[Ritsuka]

Originally posted by Hugh:

Originally posted by Ritsuka:

i can devs have said maps are 5x bigger. twice now in two different dev diaries. also maps arent the tiles like many (op) seem to think the tiles are the bulidable spots.

Nice try :) but no cigar.... You make the mistake of thinking curiosity equals actual concern.

You'll need to do way better or get up way earlier or dive way deeper or come up way drier to spring that trap here.

Always remember. You always want to face upstream.

what the actual F are you talking about, use english

[Bart]

Could be wrong but...

Sounds like he's saying you've come to the game too late. :)

[WBKotter]

Originally posted by CreamyCowJuice:

Cities Skylines 2 maps are tiny. In comparison to cities skylines. The new game has only 159km squared of buildable spaces, now this is 61 square miles, this is a tiny map. In comparison Cities Skylines had 324 square Km of buildable areas, or 125sq. Miles.

This means that cities skylines is double the size of the new game. Now someone will argue that the game is fun. What does that have to do with the Map sizes?

P.S. I meant 81 tiles =324 sq. Km.

I don't know if mods will be able to add onto the map sizes if the ground is not buildable outside the game border region, if it's not, we're stuck with a tiny map.

O.K. Let’s give this a try.
The Dev’s go to great lengths to state CS2 maps are 5 times larger, and proceed to describe a 159sq.km 529 or 441 tile, depending on who’s counting, building area. They then go on to describe and compare this 159 sq.km buildable area to the original CS1 3 x 3 tile building area. Turns out the new CS2 BA is indeed slightly less than 5 times larger than the original 9 tile BA. So far close enough is good enough.
There is some understandable dispute as to the actual tile size as some say the 159 sq.km should be divided by the 441 purchasable tiles mentioned by the dev’s while others say the 529 tiles visible in the video should be used. Makes little difference to me as the dev’s seem to indicate the total sq.km remains at 159 in either event. Why only 441 of the 529 tiles are purchasable and how the remaining 88 tiles are applied is for the moment as best I can tell “Anybody’s Guess”.
The Maps & Themes video does little to answer OP’s inquiry however and woe be it to anyone who might try to find an answer. There exists an abundance of simple minded users willing to refer to the dev’s attempt to pass the maps off as simply being 5 times larger while carefully avoiding pointing to what they are 5 times larger than. Some poor misguided souls have even gone so far as to submit graphical charts such as
https://imgur.io/dG2v9TQ?r
&
https://imgur.io/WA5ytkZ?r

to show what the maps look like. The problem I have with these examples is that I happened to watch the M&T vid #7 with my five year old son who has only one good eye do to a recent accident, and even my son noticed that the map in the video was larger than the 159 sq.km buildable area. The question then arises What is the actual size of the CS2 Maps and if they are so almighty proud of their 5 times larger maps, Why are they hiding them?
Does anybody really believe that if maps were going to be 5 times larger dev’s wouldn’t be spreading across our view screens like Sunday dinner on the Ground?

[Hugh]

Originally posted by WBKotter:

Does anybody really believe that if maps were going to be 5 times larger dev’s wouldn’t be spreading across our view screens like Sunday dinner on the Ground?

The thing about dealing with the VCOCS unholy trinity is that you usually get what you deserve.

[Gumfuzi]

so the new map for CS2 is roundabout(!) 49 tiles from CS1
so the 81 tiles MOD without usin thos foggy tiles on the edge of the CS1-map.

Good enough for most players, as CPU should be noticeable on bigger maps which lead in dropping frames.

but maybe modders (again) will find a way to max out the tiles amount in CS2... just wait until the end of the year.

[Hugh]

Originally posted by Gumfuzi:

so the new map for CS2 is roundabout(!) 49 tiles from CS1
so the 81 tiles MOD without usin thos foggy tiles on the edge of the CS1-map.

Good enough for most players, as CPU should be noticeable on bigger maps which lead in dropping frames.

but maybe modders (again) will find a way to max out the tiles amount in CS2... just wait until the end of the year.

Well the numbers say you could be right I suppose. Wouldn't that make a real joke out of CS2? Would certainly explain their reluctance to publish the figures wouldn't it? Would also make a prophet out of CCJ.
You've got my vote.

[Ext.]

there is probably gonna be hardcoded BS limits on X amount of trees, buildings, etc anyway...

[ovehaithabu]

The dev diary was labelled "comparison of map sizes" so it's a real pity they did not address that topic. What we know is

=> A map in C:S1 has 298 km² (81 tiles) of which 92 km² (25 tiles) are playable of which 33 km² (9 tiles) can be purchased in a vanilla game.
=> A map in C:S2 has x km² (y tiles) of which 190 km² (529 tiles) are playable of which 158 km² (441 tiles) can be purchased in a vanilla game.

What we don't know is "how big is the map ?" CO followed up with a "click-bait" developer insight video labelled "Wait, The Map is How BIG?" but the question of how big the map is was not answered in that video either.

TBH. none of the developer insight videos is great, looks like they just film something and if people misspeak or anything else happens they put it online anyway without doing a 2nd take to correct it. Don't know if they are under time pressure for the October release or simply don't have qualified people to do videos but it does not matter, I'll buy the game for game content, not for developer videos. With game content so far I was not disappointed.
But even in a poorly done video that question should have been answered bearing in mind it's the name of the video. So we can assume they did not want to tell us for whatever reason. We'll find out at game release. I for my part are optimistic the entire map (whatever size that will be) can be played one day with a mod.

[cylordlee]

If you want to build a real modern metropolis, with the mod, the entire map can be built to reach about 1490km². This is a good expectation.

[Hugh]

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:

The dev diary was labelled "comparison of map sizes" so it's a real pity they did not address that topic. What we know is

=> A map in C:S1 has 298 km² (81 tiles) of which 92 km² (25 tiles) are playable of which 33 km² (9 tiles) can be purchased in a vanilla game.
=> A map in C:S2 has x km² (y tiles) of which 190 km² (529 tiles) are playable of which 158 km² (441 tiles) can be purchased in a vanilla game.

So you disagree with the dev diaries that set the playable area at 159 sq.km.

In Cities: Skylines II things are a bit different. For starters, one map tile is much smaller – roughly ⅓ what it is in the predecessor – but you are able to unlock almost all tiles giving you a whopping total of 441 map tiles. That results in a playable area of 159km² which is roughly 5 times bigger than in Cities: Skylines.

How do you justify that assumption?

[ovehaithabu]

Originally posted by Hugh:

So you disagree with the dev diaries that set the playable area at 159 sq.km.
(...)
How do you justify that assumption?

No disagreement. In the video you can see that the grid shown on the map is 23x23 = 529 tiles. The video also shows that tiles have been purchased right up to the edge of the grid so the entire 529 tiles are playable. You are limited to purchase only 441 tiles but the 529 tiles are still playable. Just not all of them in the same game.

[Hugh]

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:

Originally posted by Hugh:

So you disagree with the dev diaries that set the playable area at 159 sq.km.
(...)
How do you justify that assumption?

No disagreement. In the video you can see that the grid shown on the map is 23x23 = 529 tiles. The video also shows that tiles have been purchased right up to the edge of the grid so the entire 529 tiles are playable. You are limited to purchase only 441 tiles but the 529 tiles are still playable. Just not all of them in the same game.

You choice to omit and dismiss the fact that dev's say "a playable area of 159km²" and you say "190 km² (529 tiles) are playable" in no way answers my question and your statement that "...the 529 tiles are still playable. Just not all of them in the same game." makes no sense at all.
I have no desire to argue the point however as the only thing that it really affects is how one calculates the size of the tiles which makes little difference to the overall playability of the game in the long run. For all I know you may be dead on right and either way, We'll all find out for sure when CS2 finally goes public.
All that said I'v got to say that, I agree with the jest of your original post completely.

[Bart]

If only the 441 tiles are playable what are the remaining 88 tiles for? And if all 529 tiles are playable then why are only 441 of them purchasable? For that matter if all 529 are playable or buildable why make any of them purchasable?