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0000 Mar 24, 2020 @ 8:45am
Warmaster Cyrus Viable?
It just this character is idk... He's really good early on and kinda ...ergh in lategame.

So, basically using rune master swap matk and patk, then using warmaster with 6 high matk weapon.

Is this viable? Or maybe im missing something?
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Burdpal Mar 24, 2020 @ 10:19am 
Cyrus has really low attack, critical, and accuracy and you want him to be a Warmaster? Unless you're looking for a gimmicky challenge run, he's likely the worst Warmaster option ever.

Warmasters need Surpassing Power, BP Eater, Physical Prowess and, depending on your build, Fortitude, Saving Grace or Patience. Taking Stat Swap means you won't do more damage, get a buffer of health, or a second turn chance, all for trying to make a caster do a warriors job. It's just not efficient.
0000 Mar 24, 2020 @ 4:32pm 
Ah okay, so he is not viable as warmaster.
Goblin King Mar 24, 2020 @ 8:53pm 
Originally posted by Jigsam:
So, basically using rune master swap matk and patk, then using warmaster with 6 high matk weapon.

Is this viable? Or maybe im missing something?

When casting a spell, a character only uses the weapon with the highest MATK.

Stat Swap only swap the base stats, not weapon stats. Most agree it is a lackluster ability.
Last edited by Goblin King; Mar 24, 2020 @ 8:56pm
0000 Mar 25, 2020 @ 8:23pm 
Welp, then Cyrus prob gonna be merchant / starseer.

He's and primrose are the most lackluster chara in entire game.

Prim, idk, I just use her as scholar, and use luckless swordsman. Then I can get aoe and pseudo thief (debuff) at the same time.
Last edited by 0000; Mar 25, 2020 @ 8:24pm
OnlyOffensive Mar 26, 2020 @ 3:20am 
what do you mean luckluster? Hes strongest ele attack character and does ridiciolus damage starting early and all game.

If its not obvious sorcerer is good for him and primrose i guess. With a little buffing he can do multiple cap'ed spell attacks per turn.
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; Mar 26, 2020 @ 3:21am
Burdpal Mar 26, 2020 @ 4:57am 
Eh, end game Cyrus is bad. Low speed, low defenses. Any character can get 999 elemental attack with the proper gear (Adamantine Hat, Elemental Augmentor, Battle-Tested Staff, Mental Belt), so Cyrus having a high natural elemental attack is not a reason to keep him. Plus, his weapon pool is terrible and his path ability is useless in combat.

Primrose, Therion and Alfyn, on the other hand, make for great Sorcerers. Getting geared up properly gives them immense damage output. Primrose having access to daggers gives her the opportunity to wield the Adamantine Dagger, which boosts dark damage. Therion having access to daggers and swords gives him access to not only the Adamantine Dagger, but also Harald's Blade for boosted fire damage. Alfyn being able to wield axes gives him the Battle-Tested Axe, which boosts his ice and lightning damage. Having Surpassing Power on these three characters, while gearing them with the appropriate items, can give insane damage numbers on Galdera. While admittedly Therion's path action is useless in combat, Primrose gets to enjoy summons that can boost stats, deal damage, or debuff foes, while Alfyn gets full access to the concoction menu - easily the most OP path action in end game given the 2 BP per turn that he can generate to the whole party.
0000 Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:38am 
Originally posted by Burd!:
Eh, end game Cyrus is bad. Low speed, low defenses. Any character can get 999 elemental attack with the proper gear (Adamantine Hat, Elemental Augmentor, Battle-Tested Staff, Mental Belt), so Cyrus having a high natural elemental attack is not a reason to keep him. Plus, his weapon pool is terrible and his path ability is useless in combat.

Primrose, Therion and Alfyn, on the other hand, make for great Sorcerers. Getting geared up properly gives them immense damage output. Primrose having access to daggers gives her the opportunity to wield the Adamantine Dagger, which boosts dark damage. Therion having access to daggers and swords gives him access to not only the Adamantine Dagger, but also Harald's Blade for boosted fire damage. Alfyn being able to wield axes gives him the Battle-Tested Axe, which boosts his ice and lightning damage. Having Surpassing Power on these three characters, while gearing them with the appropriate items, can give insane damage numbers on Galdera. While admittedly Therion's path action is useless in combat, Primrose gets to enjoy summons that can boost stats, deal damage, or debuff foes, while Alfyn gets full access to the concoction menu - easily the most OP path action in end game given the 2 BP per turn that he can generate to the whole party.

Precisely this, once u got hidden job he fell apart, cannot beat full boosted sorcerer therion with 2 fire weapons.

Prim while she is kinda lackluster at least she has access to dagger and summon. Which make her pseudo thief. (Full enfeeblement)

On the other hand cyrus, there are 3 class that can make it work,

1. Merchant, which give him access to better weapon pools and thunder/ice axe, wind polearm, plus give free bp. This give him 4 weapon coverage, and 5 element (hire clerics for light, and hire dancer for dagger)

2. Starseer, which is need a dancer partner to pull off. U need to give him the dancer aoe buff then use the bp boosting buff, this way he can be a pseudo alfyn.

3. Cleric, a healslave, dont forget to give him defensive skills.

In first part of the game cyrus is beastly, because how crazy his aoe output, and free scan weakness, but once u got access to elemental weaps, he fell apart.
Last edited by 0000; Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:43am
OnlyOffensive Mar 27, 2020 @ 6:49am 
what generates 2 bp per turn on alfyn? I like dohter charity + 4bp for each character now, honestly except his bp concoctions, everything else is kinda useless, yea ailment removal sometimes ok, offensive stuff is kinda worthless most of the time.

Im in chapters 3 rn and alfyn seems pretty weak, very low stats, low accuracy. He makes decent support character but kinda crappy for damage at least now.
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; Mar 27, 2020 @ 6:50am
Sakhari Mar 27, 2020 @ 9:02am 
Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:
what generates 2 bp per turn on alfyn?
Im in chapters 3 rn and alfyn seems pretty weak, very low stats, low accuracy. He makes decent support character but kinda crappy for damage at least now.

Concocting an S. Seed+Pomegranate+Dohter's or P.Dust+Pomegranate will provide 2 BP to the group with each use. Dohter's+Pomegranate(M) would do it too.

Beyond that, he also has concoct options that hit every element 1 to 3 times with possible debuffs along with flexible healing options. If you build him for physical damage, there's a 380 PA/140 Crit Death Cleaver axe available from the word 'go' if you know where to find it and Last Stand with low health (and any buffs you can stack on) can eventually deal enough damage to clear a Rank 10 duel in one hit.

In all honesty, I personally don't 'like' using him much just because I'm not a fan of item upkeeps and conditional abilities like Last Stand (which anyone can use - just not with Concoct in the same kit) and you can easily do without him through the vast majority of the game but if you play to his strengths, he's very useful as a complete do-almost-anything package.

As for the OP, just to stay on topic, pretty much anyone can be 'viable' for 99% of the game's content as a Warmaster. The difference in character base stats isn't going to change much against the average mook when you put Winnehild's with top-end weapons on the table and there are only about two specific encounters where his drawbacks might matter but technically, as has been covered, Cyrus is probably at least tied for the worst candidate.
Last edited by Sakhari; Mar 27, 2020 @ 9:35am
OnlyOffensive Mar 27, 2020 @ 9:34am 
yea as i said hes good as BP battery, other than that idk. I figured last stand would be strong, but so far with about 10% hp it has dealt not that impressive damage. Amputation is strong, but i think it has penalty for accuracy? Anyway i have him as off-job warrior and he misses alot while not doing that good damage.
Sakhari Mar 27, 2020 @ 10:11am 
Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:
yea as i said hes good as BP battery, other than that idk.

Well, the reason people often point to him as a top-tier character is because the BP-boosting by itself is stupidly overpowered (while ignoring the after-boost BP recovery penalty that holds the Starseer back) and trivializes most of the game's difficult fights, especially in the late-game when all of the divine abilities are on the table. Yeah, as a damage dealer, it takes more effort to get his base-class working than other characters but the fully-loaded Last Stand, excellent healing potential, and ability to break up to three shields per turn on anything with an elemental weakness are all just cherries on top of an enormously powerful cake.

But sure, if you don't want to take advantage of his main benefit (which, again, totally fair. The game's easy enough that it's not necessary at any point), then he's likely just going to be a mediocre physical attacker with some healing utilities.
Last edited by Sakhari; Mar 27, 2020 @ 10:22am
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