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Can Merchant guild ever be the better choice?
I was planning on going Merchant guild but then i was wondering what could ever be the benefit over the better drop chances of Circle of Fortune?

At some point everyone will have more gold than they could ever need and there's no benefit to trading anymore because gold is more or less useless. So why Merchant over COF?
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Gaven Feb 21, 2024 @ 5:50am 
With Merchant guild once leveled you can get any item youu want, when you want so for power games I would say Merchant guild will always be better.
ChaosSound Feb 21, 2024 @ 5:50am 
Originally posted by MoodyStarbuck:
I was planning on going Merchant guild but then i was wondering what could ever be the benefit over the better drop chances of Circle of Fortune?

At some point everyone will have more gold than they could ever need and there's no benefit to trading anymore because gold is more or less useless. So why Merchant over COF?
Merchant = Buy specific items you want meaning no RNG
Circle = Higher chance but still zero control over what you find big RNG
hajabuba Feb 21, 2024 @ 5:51am 
MG can just trade without bazaar i think. So people could trade item for item, like 4lp unique for another. CoF gear is untradable without resonance/dropping in party.

Edit. Going CoF btw, since i think getting bis gear through trade will be pain anyways.
Last edited by hajabuba; Feb 21, 2024 @ 5:52am
Ravenkid9266 Feb 21, 2024 @ 5:55am 
Originally posted by MoodyStarbuck:
I was planning on going Merchant guild but then i was wondering what could ever be the benefit over the better drop chances of Circle of Fortune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS6WLpIHaHU&t=411s

Time stamp: 6:43

Lets take a loot at what the CoF is really offering in that small clip.

Edit:
Originally posted by ChaosSound:
Circle = Higher chance but still zero control over what you find big RNG

Between target farming, blessings, and prophecies CoF will have plenty of ways to gain control over item drops.
Last edited by Ravenkid9266; Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:00am
Astasia Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:00am 
The idea is likely that a new cycle will happen and most people will start over before gold loses all value. In "standard" ya the AH will probably be unusable after a few months at best due to inflation.

I don't think the merchant option will ever be really viable though because I expect too small a number of people will use it. The vast majority of players in other games in the genre almost never trade, they might list a really valuable item they find, or buy one specific piece they need for a build, but they typically avoid the trading mechanics. Those people are kind of required for a "trade league" to function, because even though they are only moving small amounts individually, they feed required items into the economy and it adds up as a whole. Those people are also likely to all go circle here because it just makes more sense for them, and even if they could trade the lack of reselling means the economy can never really build up. What you want to buy will probably never be for sale when you need it, not enough people listing items and every item listed is permanently removed from the economy once bought once.

So to answer your question, my expectation and opinion is, no. The merchant guild will probably be an abandoned faction after the first few days.

I wont even get into the fact that one option adds new gameplay mechanics and goals, and the other is literally just trading and nothing else.
Zephos Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:03am 
cant we do both?
Astasia Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by Zephos:
cant we do both?

No. It's one or the other. You can switch between them but all the gear is locked so you can't for example farm gear as circle and then switch to merchant to sell it. Likewise if your circle character is missing an item you can't just buy it by switching to merchant because that item will be locked to merchant and unusable on circle.

If you get tired of merchant and want to switch to circle or the other way around, you basically have to start over in terms of gearing and none of your item progression from other other faction will matter.
Zephos Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Astasia:
Originally posted by Zephos:
cant we do both?

No. It's one or the other. You can switch between them but all the gear is locked so you can't for example farm gear as circle and then switch to merchant to sell it. Likewise if your circle character is missing an item you can't just buy it by switching to merchant because that item will be locked to merchant and unusable on circle.

If you get tired of merchant and want to switch to circle or the other way around, you basically have to start over in terms of gearing and none of your item progression from other other faction will matter.
i sware i thought we can switch between them and and the progresion we made would stay all well..im still torn on who i want first
Sl@da^ Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:09am 
How setup filter for Merchant ?? i dont have idea
PacoXI Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:10am 
The intent is thay one is never really better than the other. Lne mjght be slightly better, of course, but they should always be close and down to player preferences.
Astasia Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:12am 
Originally posted by Zephos:
i sware i thought we can switch between them and and the progresion we made would stay all well..im still torn on who i want first

You don't lose your faction progression, you just can't use your items, so your "item progression" is lost. You can switch back to it again and pick up where you left of with your old item set. It's basically like playing two different characters though and switching between them.
Nylk Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:13am 
Originally posted by Zephos:
Originally posted by Astasia:

No. It's one or the other. You can switch between them but all the gear is locked so you can't for example farm gear as circle and then switch to merchant to sell it. Likewise if your circle character is missing an item you can't just buy it by switching to merchant because that item will be locked to merchant and unusable on circle.

If you get tired of merchant and want to switch to circle or the other way around, you basically have to start over in terms of gearing and none of your item progression from other other faction will matter.
i sware i thought we can switch between them and and the progresion we made would stay all well..im still torn on who i want first

From what I understand you cannot have both active at the same time but you keep the level you have in each when you switch. So it would mean that if you maxed out merchant guild you can switch to CoF and start leveling it but come back at some point to merchant guild and still have it high level. That is how I understood it, might not be it but I guess we'll soon discover exactly how it works.
Ayk- Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:21am 
Lol, CoF is the way to go.
By the time you grind your MG rank to buy your first lp uniques and exalted items, CoF will be swimming on those.
Judaspriester Feb 21, 2024 @ 6:26am 
I'm kinda curious how the Guild and the Circle are balanced. If(!) the devs did a good job, people will split between both options and keep them viable. If they don't and one side becomes strictly better than the other one, they'll most likely end up with a nut to crack.
Ravenkid9266 Feb 21, 2024 @ 7:04am 
There are plenty of content creators praising the trade faction. The content creators of LE though seem to have a vastly different view.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/899770/discussions/0/6689601154225397361/

There is a link, turns out the LE content creators tend to think CoF is vastly superior. Even Lizardirl who was going to go trade was lured away to the CoF faction due to the lootsplosions, as shown in the video I linked a few posts up.
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