Last Epoch

Last Epoch

Ciaina Mar 8, 2024 @ 1:49pm
Trading and Guilds
So, placing items you find with the circle of fortune in the market, cannot be done.
Ok, makes sense.

But not being able to USE items from the other guild? WHY.
This game is already grind intensive.
So ANY item obtained trough market are usable ONLY if you are in the market guild.

This is NOT a good idea, it kills the utility of the ability to switch between guilds.

Simply make all items usable by all your characters.
It's not like this game uses a monthly subscription.... cut the inane grind a bit.
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Psykrom Mar 8, 2024 @ 1:52pm 
Why having to switch if they could just remove the idea of having to make hard choices altogether.
oldschooldiablo Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:04pm 
Originally posted by Psykrom:
Why having to switch if they could just remove the idea of having to make hard choices altogether.

These are item factions. The point of them is do u want to trade or not

This same issue was brought up on the official forms.

Why should a player not get to use gear they already spent 100s of hrs farming up or in my case 3lp bow with 3 almost perfect rolls slammed on to it.

At the very least we need away to take gear already equipped to the other faction all other restrictions still apply.

Maybe some like an orb of factions that's very rare where u get 1 maybe 2 if lucky to switch and still use ur currently equipped gear. Stashed gear can't be used.

This isnt a class choose l. Factions are different. It's a kick in the balls from the devs to restrict gear like this.
Psykrom Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:14pm 
The way you want both worlds is exactly how it will devalue having factions in the first place.
Why being confronted with a hard choice, if there really is no consequence.
People always need to take responsibility for what they do.
Only politicians get away for their crimes.

I am also someone who'd rather ask the question, "why not both?" for the most part.
But all fun and delusions aside, sometimes not getting both is exactly what makes it interesting.
oldschooldiablo Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:37pm 
Originally posted by Psykrom:
The way you want both worlds is exactly how it will devalue having factions in the first place.
Why being confronted with a hard choice, if there really is no consequence.
People always need to take responsibility for what they do.
Only politicians get away for their crimes.

I am also someone who'd rather ask the question, "why not both?" for the most part.
But all fun and delusions aside, sometimes not getting both is exactly what makes it interesting.

No it doesnt. What game locks players out of using loot they have found.

The whole point is having the choice to go trade or not. Thats the entire point of these factions.

I'm not saying all gear found I. Either faction should be usable only the gear u have equipped.

Which is why I brought up this orb of factions idea. Switching on the fly I agree shouldn't be able to happen. There does need some way to at least have a chance to take ur hard earned gear and crafted gear to another faction.

It's a ♥♥♥♥ design u already need to farm up favor not only that u loose favor whe. Switching factions. U also need to grind out the ranks for that faction.

The choose needs to be do u want to trade or not which is the point of these factions

It was never intended to be a hard choice at all.

Why should a player have to give up God tier items they worked there ass off for and crafted I to BiS gear. Thar logic makes no sence
Last edited by oldschooldiablo; Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:41pm
Psykrom Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:46pm 
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:
Originally posted by Psykrom:
The way you want both worlds is exactly how it will devalue having factions in the first place.
Why being confronted with a hard choice, if there really is no consequence.
People always need to take responsibility for what they do.
Only politicians get away for their crimes.

I am also someone who'd rather ask the question, "why not both?" for the most part.
But all fun and delusions aside, sometimes not getting both is exactly what makes it interesting.

No it doesnt. What game locks players out of using loot they have found.

The whole point is having the choice to go trade or not. Thats the entire point of these factions.

I'm not saying all gear found I. Either faction should be usable only the gear u have equipped.

Which is why I brought up this orb of factions idea. Switching on the fly I agree shouldn't be able to happen. There does need some way to at least have a chance to take ur hard earned gear and crafted gear to another faction.

It's a ♥♥♥♥ design u already need to farm up favor not only that u loose favor whe. Switching factions. U also need to grind out the ranks for that faction.

The choose needs to be do u want to trade or not which is the point of these factions

It was never intended to be a hard choice at all.

Why should a player have to give up God tier items they worked there ass off for and crafted I to BiS gear. Thar logic makes no sence

The problem I see is that bazaar has a way bigger gold sink due to it being the currency for trading, while circle of fortune can accumulate all that gold basically to spend on the bazaar later.
Gilver Redgrave Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:54pm 
Look at it that way.

Items obtained with Fractions are "Fraction items" which of course are only useable while with the Fraction.

And switching between both fraction without penality pretty much removes the "choice" doesnt it ? If you just wanna switch wit all benefits them might aswell remove fractions to begin with.
oldschooldiablo Mar 8, 2024 @ 2:56pm 
Originally posted by Psykrom:
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:

No it doesnt. What game locks players out of using loot they have found.

The whole point is having the choice to go trade or not. Thats the entire point of these factions.

I'm not saying all gear found I. Either faction should be usable only the gear u have equipped.

Which is why I brought up this orb of factions idea. Switching on the fly I agree shouldn't be able to happen. There does need some way to at least have a chance to take ur hard earned gear and crafted gear to another faction.

It's a ♥♥♥♥ design u already need to farm up favor not only that u loose favor whe. Switching factions. U also need to grind out the ranks for that faction.

The choose needs to be do u want to trade or not which is the point of these factions

It was never intended to be a hard choice at all.

Why should a player have to give up God tier items they worked there ass off for and crafted I to BiS gear. Thar logic makes no sence

The problem I see is that bazaar has a way bigger gold sink due to it being the currency for trading, while circle of fortune can accumulate all that gold basically to spend on the bazaar later.

That's why they nerfed the keys. Cu that's what was happening.
My Killer Shack Mar 8, 2024 @ 3:45pm 
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:
Originally posted by Psykrom:
The way you want both worlds is exactly how it will devalue having factions in the first place.
Why being confronted with a hard choice, if there really is no consequence.
People always need to take responsibility for what they do.
Only politicians get away for their crimes.

I am also someone who'd rather ask the question, "why not both?" for the most part.
But all fun and delusions aside, sometimes not getting both is exactly what makes it interesting.

No it doesnt. What game locks players out of using loot they have found.

The whole point is having the choice to go trade or not. Thats the entire point of these factions.

I'm not saying all gear found I. Either faction should be usable only the gear u have equipped.

Which is why I brought up this orb of factions idea. Switching on the fly I agree shouldn't be able to happen. There does need some way to at least have a chance to take ur hard earned gear and crafted gear to another faction.

It's a ♥♥♥♥ design u already need to farm up favor not only that u loose favor whe. Switching factions. U also need to grind out the ranks for that faction.

The choose needs to be do u want to trade or not which is the point of these factions

It was never intended to be a hard choice at all.

Why should a player have to give up God tier items they worked there ass off for and crafted I to BiS gear. Thar logic makes no sence
factions would be pointless if gear wasnt locked... you would just switch to the prophecy faction to farm then switch to the market faction to buy items. it would literally be pointless... unless maybe faction switching was on a 2 week cd or something. but then ud just have one char in the finding faction and one in the market faction. completely ruins the faction system
oldschooldiablo Mar 8, 2024 @ 4:02pm 
Originally posted by Gilver Redgrave:
Look at it that way.

Items obtained with Fractions are "Fraction items" which of course are only useable while with the Fraction.

And switching between both fraction without penality pretty much removes the "choice" doesnt it ? If you just wanna switch wit all benefits them might aswell remove fractions to begin with.

The whole goal and point of item factions is to not gimp none trade players like it does in path of exile.

No it actually doesn't remove the choice. U still have the choice to trade or not don't u? Which is the whole point of item factions

I'm not saying switching should be on the fly when ever. It shouldn't be.

Which is why I suggested some sort of orb that is very rare where 1 maybe 2 will drop per cycle.

Many have already suggested merchants guild having its own currency. In away it does with favor. Trade having its own currency would help with this a bit.

It's extremely bad to force players to strip naked loosing BiS gear just to finish min maxing there build. This doesn't respect players time one bit
Last edited by oldschooldiablo; Mar 8, 2024 @ 4:06pm
oldschooldiablo Mar 8, 2024 @ 4:11pm 
Originally posted by My Killer Shack:
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:

No it doesnt. What game locks players out of using loot they have found.

The whole point is having the choice to go trade or not. Thats the entire point of these factions.

I'm not saying all gear found I. Either faction should be usable only the gear u have equipped.

Which is why I brought up this orb of factions idea. Switching on the fly I agree shouldn't be able to happen. There does need some way to at least have a chance to take ur hard earned gear and crafted gear to another faction.

It's a ♥♥♥♥ design u already need to farm up favor not only that u loose favor whe. Switching factions. U also need to grind out the ranks for that faction.

The choose needs to be do u want to trade or not which is the point of these factions

It was never intended to be a hard choice at all.

Why should a player have to give up God tier items they worked there ass off for and crafted I to BiS gear. Thar logic makes no sence
factions would be pointless if gear wasnt locked... you would just switch to the prophecy faction to farm then switch to the market faction to buy items. it would literally be pointless... unless maybe faction switching was on a 2 week cd or something. but then ud just have one char in the finding faction and one in the market faction. completely ruins the faction system

It wouldn't make the factions pointless

The point of them is to not gimp none trade players that's the entire goal of them.

Iv already suggested ways in this thread factions could be switch

Switching on the fly yes shouldn't be a thing
Tiasmoon Mar 8, 2024 @ 4:15pm 
Originally posted by Gilver Redgrave:
Look at it that way.

Items obtained with Fractions are "Fraction items" which of course are only useable while with the Fraction.

And switching between both fraction without penality pretty much removes the "choice" doesnt it ? If you just wanna switch wit all benefits them might aswell remove fractions to begin with.

Its not like there is much of a real choice anyway. Aside from for anyone trying to make a perfect build and thus requiring 4LP items, MG just offers far more to players then CoF does.
Gilver Redgrave Mar 8, 2024 @ 7:28pm 
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:
This doesn't respect players time one bit

Youre playing an ARPG which is literally a "Grind" genre. By playing this you lost all right complaining about respecting your time because you dont respect it yourself.:MonkThumbsUp:

Now in my personal opinion there shouldnt be an Auction house to begin with. First of all it brought us the Gold Sellers and second player trading would do the trick. Beware socializing. We dont need a fraction for something we can do without.
oldschooldiablo Mar 8, 2024 @ 8:02pm 
Originally posted by Gilver Redgrave:
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:
This doesn't respect players time one bit

Youre playing an ARPG which is literally a "Grind" genre. By playing this you lost all right complaining about respecting your time because you dont respect it yourself.:MonkThumbsUp:

Now in my personal opinion there shouldnt be an Auction house to begin with. First of all it brought us the Gold Sellers and second player trading would do the trick. Beware socializing. We dont need a fraction for something we can do without.

Been playing these games since d1 I know what these games are it's why I play.

Think u completely missed my point about loosing gear u literally spent 100s of hrs farming and crafting up. I'm not talking about the initial grind when starting out in a cycle

Why should players be forced to loose 90% of there gear they have equipped when switching factions to then be forced to grind out all that gear yet again. Then pray u get the BiS Legendaries u had before switching. This goes against what this entire genra is about.

All this is is a server rollback but as a feature in the game. We both know ita doesn't feel good at all to log in to these games and find out u got hit with a rollback issues

I love the grind in these games. The penalty of switching factions is way to harsh.

Keep in mind legacy mode won't really feel the pain of this. They will beable to switch no issues.

For cycles There needs to be some way as iv already suggested to switch.

It's not at all good game design in the diablo like genera to tell ur players ur gear is now useless in said faction go spend another 200hrs get all of that again.

I play leagues (poe) ladders (d2/d2r) cycles (LE) for starting the grind over. That's the point of resets/fresh start.
Gilver Redgrave Mar 9, 2024 @ 5:59am 
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:
Why should players be forced to loose 90% of there gear they have equipped when switching factions

Why should players be able to switch fractions in the first place ? Be happy they gave you the option and dont make it a permanent choice you have to make like in any other game.
KillJoy Mar 9, 2024 @ 6:24am 
Originally posted by Gilver Redgrave:
Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:
Why should players be forced to loose 90% of there gear they have equipped when switching factions

Why should players be able to switch fractions in the first place ? Be happy they gave you the option and dont make it a permanent choice you have to make like in any other game.

It's faction, not fraction. A fraction is something totally different.

And obviously not everybody is happy with the design choices the developer made with regards to the factions.

And I do agree the design leaves something to be desired. Everybody keeps saying these are faction items, but they are actually not. They are in game drops and should you play without picking a faction, and I don't know if that is possible, all drops would not be faction items.

The way they designed it is terrible, especially since the game is designed around cycles (seasons) and ladders. Nobody wants to grind countless hours every cycle.

That is why in my opinion, they should remove factions and simply have a global auction house for items. You would still need to farm gold to purchase items.
Last edited by KillJoy; Mar 9, 2024 @ 6:24am
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