how is this game compared to diablo 4 or path of exile?

[heime2003]

could u give me pros and cons so i can decide whether i get this game or not?

[oldschooldiablo]

Originally posted by Tsyuko:

Originally posted by heime2003:

could u give me pros and cons so i can decide whether i get this game or not?

D4 pros: character models, transmog, customisation, sound, graphics

D4 cons: 75lvl and above extremly boring repetitive unrewarding grindfest in every way. Hard to experiment with builds without spending hours apon hours farming gold.

D4 neutral: Depends on player and playstyle. Seasons feel forced battlepass locked behind them and universal balancing for season/eternal. I absolutely hate the idea of seasonal reset when it damages eternal. I never play seasons. I play RPGs to progress slowly over the years multiple characters at once playing other games inbetween and comming back when I am in the mood. Thats why I wanted to stay on eternal forever. I had no idea battlepass is season exclusive and that if something is nerfed in season because its OP in combo with some seasonal mechanic its nerfed everywhere, eternal included. Same with dungeons buffs and nerfs. (it may be changed, I quit on lvl 23 in S1, after my 100 and 80 lvl eternal character builds were ruined to the ground by some early patch.

My path in this game was like this: I love it, 8.5/10. Week later - its fine, 6.5/10. Month later - its 3/10 garbage. People with less time for gaming minght not reach phase 3 ever. I took 2 weeks off at work and went hard this time.


LE pros: Gameplay and progression-wise everything seems fine so far, it is fun, can be addictive. But I cant make fair comparison with more than 250h in D4 vs 14 here. D4 felt good after this amount of hours too.

LE cons: Terrible customisation. To be accurate there is no such a thing. Classes are gender locked, with 0 head options, 0 hair options, 0 transmog options, no hide helmet option (at least I did not find it). Compared to this Titan Quest customisation with gender and tunic color and just 1 head option is superb :D . You pick class. You equip loot with low variety. Thats it.


POE: No idea. Played on release, finished story, uninstalled. Its probably the king of aRPGs but totally not for me. Too complex for blind-playing arpg casual playing multiple other games on top of it. It seems to be made for true hardcore arpg fans focusing one game, reading guides, buildcrafters etc. Deffinitely not for me.

Don't want to ruin ur fun with LE.

But ur issues with D4 eternal mode. Is more than likely going to happen in legacy mode in LE as well. As well as offline mode

Balance passes are most likely going to be across the whole game not just cycle mode

As for cycle content we know the first few cycles probably the first yr all content will be available for all modes.

After that we don't know if cycle content will be available for other modes or if it's cycle play only then added to the core game when a new cycle starts

[Chan]

Play PoE, D4, Grim Dawn, Titan Quest, Lost Ark or even the Van Helsing series. Play legit any other ARPG than this one for a good experience. This game is overhyped and easily one of the weakest ARPGs in terms of balance, crafting and just general game play. Sure, it's fun at first, but there's not much to do past the story besides monoliths and woo boy, they will put you to sleep.

[NotxEevee]

Originally posted by oldschooldiablo:

They didn't flip numbers around all they did was remove the fracture mechanics. As well as rework the crafting system.

U realize I did play with the old system it was completely crap compared to now.

The current system is the same crap as it was before, just presented differently.
Everybody knows it at this point.

You're still relying on RNG and glyphs to hope that the forging potential of an item doesn't completely deplete in 2 rolls, 3 on exalted items.
Forging potential at 0 does the same thing as a fractured item : you can use the item for stats, but you can't roll on it anymore.

Same trash, different flavor or trash.

[Tremere]

Much better then D4, and lacking in content compered to PoE.
In terms of depth it is somewhere in the middle between the two, which is perfect for me.

[Koala 4peace]

Just to be on point. The three of then are videogames. No thanks for the clarification are needed.

[Gaius_Baltar]

Endgame is already better than diablo 4 and way more builds / interesting loot, but gets repetitive very fast and its too easy for poe veterans atm

[Dasty-Fox]

Diablo 4 Junk This gsme closer to POE

[Perfection]

It's not as boringly basic and afraid to experiment as modern Diablo.
It's not as overly complex to the point of tedium and frustration in needing to use 3rd party tools to play the game like modern Path Of Exile.

It's a very happy medium between the extremes, and plus, this game has many many unique takes on the genre. My favorite being the way crafting works, it is legitimately the best implementation of a crafting system in any game I've seen. Items dropped on the ground have actual value (unlike POE). This means that playing Solo Self Found is actually super viable in this game, they're going to add trade guilds or SSF guilds to boost whichever playstyle you enjoy. I personally hate trading and you don't need to treat this game like a second job in order to make deep meaningful progress.

When this game really takes off after 1.0 it'll make Diablo 4 or POE 2 look ♥♥♥♥♥ in comparison, I mean in my opinion it already does.

Oh and did I mention it's dirt cheap and also the devs will never implement Pay2Win or even Pay For Convenience (such as Stash tabs in POE) for real money? You have to actually play the game to gather gold in order to buy more tabs. You can only use real money to buy the game or purely cosmetic stuff.

The dev team are also all incredible people and veterans of the genre. But enough text just go and play it already you'll enjoy it.

[Zartanyen]

Originally posted by Perfection:

The dev team are also all incredible people.

The same people who basically said unless your using cheat engine they didn't care what was going on, blamed themselves for having had one of their cheaters showing hacks and how to work around game mechanics and punished said cheater by giving them their own in game item made. Quality team of dev's there, I will take Blizz with the ban hammer swinging as it should be.

Cosmetic's are absolute over priced garbage compared to either POE or D4.

It starts out fun but get's boring real fast, mono's are a mind numbing siege of boredom and that's a main part of the game.

The loot is a fun middle ground for a while before you get into crafting end game stuff but not as boring or awful and complex as chaosbane, wolcen ( for boring) POE for complex.

Character building and skills are again a nice middle ground and can be fun as the game is pretty easy and doesn't punish you for playing around or bad builds till your pushing late game and by then it's easy to redo skills and builds.

Really can't compare to D4 as it's open world mmo lite, plus it's blizz that would be like comparing COD or Battlefield to some one man indie fps it's never going to be in the same class or division.

I would say your better off with Grim Dawn, ( especially moded) POE, Titan's Quest, even Van Helsing series over this. I would put this above ChaosBane and Wolves of Midgar and a couple other indie arpg's but really this is a middle of the road arpg at best.

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Zartanyen:

Originally posted by Perfection:

The dev team are also all incredible people.

The same people who basically said unless your using cheat engine they didn't care what was going on, blamed themselves for having had one of their cheaters showing hacks and how to work around game mechanics and punished said cheater by giving them their own in game item made. Quality team of dev's there, I will take Blizz with the ban hammer swinging as it should be.
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Lol what? Dunno about that cheater thing.

Also, imagine thinking what you just said makes them worse than Blizz. I kek'd.

[Tsyuko]

Originally posted by Zartanyen:

Originally posted by Perfection:

The dev team are also all incredible people.

The same people who basically said unless your using cheat engine they didn't care what was going on, blamed themselves for having had one of their cheaters showing hacks and how to work around game mechanics and punished said cheater by giving them their own in game item made. Quality team of dev's there, I will take Blizz with the ban hammer swinging as it should be.

I cant understand this trend of making coop aRPGs into competition. Sweet times of Diablo 2 and Titan Quest in offline/lan where you could use cheats/trainers as you wish and mod your character to the ground. Who cares if somebody cheats in game like this. Stupid seasonal resets and always online ruined half of the fun of this genre for me. The only games where cheating should matter and be punished by heavy perma bans are PvP games. I am probably just too old to understand modern gamers and their problems :D

[xılǝℲ ★]

Compared to PoE its hot garbage, its fun to play for a bit but once you discover the depth it has and the gameplay loop, it becomes boring and too easy real fast. (I have multiple HC characters @ lvl 100).

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Tsyuko:

I cant understand this trend of making coop aRPGs into competition. Sweet times of Diablo 2 and Titan Quest in offline/lan where you could use cheats/trainers as you wish and mod your character to the ground. Who cares if somebody cheats in game like this. Stupid seasonal resets and always online ruined half of the fun of this genre for me. The only games where cheating should matter and be punished by heavy perma bans are PvP games. I am probably just too old to understand modern gamers and their problems :D

Well, even in a co-op PvE cheating has to be controlled. Not funny if some random player clean the level with a buffed character. But yes, for single player or even playing with friends, as long as all agree, this should always be left at the player choice. Anyway, you can edit the offline characters in LE, as far as i know. Never tried it myself.

[Tec]

PoE>>LE>>>>>D4. Not such complex as PoE in bad and good ways and have less endgame. Only 1 druid(and here will be 15 subclass total) in LE have more complexity, innovation and variation than all 5 classes in D4. And LE have lootfilters and mostly infinity stash without credit card use.
For sure no chance to spend as much time like in PoE, but anyway its new game with some interesting designs.

[Omicron]

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