Alexander is a total jerkface

[Raven]

This is my first time playing a Civ game, I thought I was getting the hang of it, and Alexander literally begs me 3-4 times to help him go to war with this same city-state. Finally, I broke down and agreed, so I went to war with him against them. But then it turns out Alexander had a declaration to protect that same city state, and because I was actually in the middle of attacking them, he denounces me and literally got the entire world pissed off at me with the war HE started, and *I* was the bad guy.

Is this something that is gonna happen a lot in this game? Do I need to double check to see if the AI is allies every time before they ask me to "help" them go to war?

[Just Guy 0_0]

This is called politics, Alexander created a trap to decrease your friend value with different civilizations. (joking)

( Actually the Ai is not the best at fighting wars , and it usually denounces you very often even if you do nothing at all. You can check if you want , however I wouldn't worry about it and just go with the flow.

[Grendalcat]

Generally speaking, it isn't in your interest to join a war someone is begging you to do.
Other civs/city states will get aggro'd with you for doing it.

Unless you were about to attack the target anyway, then you can agree to it.

[stvlepore]

Man, I wish the AI was that sophisticated.

[knighttemplar1960]

If its an AI instead of a city state, bribe them to attack Alexander instead.

[DerEider]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Generally speaking, it isn't in your interest to join a war someone is begging you to do.
Other civs/city states will get aggro'd with you for doing it.

Unless you were about to attack the target anyway, then you can agree to it.

Sometimes I will agree to join a war against a distant civ, but participate only halfheartedly ... perhaps snag a trader. Then I wait for a while and often the enemy will offer a Peace treaty with sweet terms - like a small city and gold. I then accept and abandon my erstwhile war buddy

[Bfloo]

The ai wil denounce you for joining their wars if you start taking cities.

Alexander is just a prick, he is a problem every time he pops up in my games. He will 'play games' be all buddy buddy 1 minute, then declare war 5 turns later. I despise him so much I will go out of my way to kill him early.

I have fought wars as Der Eider suggests, and sometimes will just send a caraval over to do nothing but be a nuisance along the coast. Whether or not I take the cities in the deal depends on the happiness hit.

[Sep]

Welcome to politic, son....

On serious note, the AI just ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Quyzbuk]

A human player would do the exact same thing to you, don't ignore global politics.

[grognardgary]

!st attacking city statew at least pre community patch was never a good idea. they are the people that can help you win a diplo victory or help you keep others from doing so, Oh one other thing for what it is worth any aggressive AI civ near your borders is going to eventually hunt the opportunity to take a giant dump in your sneakers. Don't make it easy for them,

[Raven]

Originally posted by grognardgary:

!st attacking city statew at least pre community patch was never a good idea. they are the people that can help you win a diplo victory or help you keep others from doing so,

It's my first game? Why would I know that? I'm still basically just doing my first tutorial game, it just goes for awhile cus my settings are stupid. I went to war in the end because I planned to win anyway without Alexander's help, I just never expected to get back stabbed in such a way.

People keep saying the AI is really stupid...which is a shame, because as a new player that doesn't know much of anything yet, it does some really brilliant stuff. Like, I thought Alexander was a jerk face, but then Dido who was bad mouthing me for awhile, I sent a spy to watch her. I really wish it wasn't just coincidence, I was seriously impressed with the AI thinking it had some really great tactics. Like that thing with Alexander, at this point I'm by far the strongest nation in the world. She keeps bad mouthing me and my spy actually revealed that she was planning to attack several groups OTHER than me, it seems like she was legit trying to get them to attack me, who would wipe the floor with them and make them weak, so she could easily finish them off. Or at least that is what I thought was happening, but it seems it was just coincidence ....

edit: also for the record, I made it really easy setting to learn but my dumb butt made it a large map with making conquest the only win condition so....yeah. I'm winning by a lot but I don't think I win any time soon. I'm beginning to realize that if you're not careful with your set up, the game could literally take months...this one game has been going on for 3 days now and its no where near close to finished. I think. I just hit industrial revolution, I wonder if I can win easily if I just get modern technology while everyone else is still in the Renaissance or something

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by grognardgary:

!st attacking city states at least pre community patch was never a good idea. they are the people that can help you win a diplo victory or help you keep others from doing so,

It's my first game? Why would I know that? I'm still basically just doing my first tutorial game, it just goes for awhile cus my settings are stupid. I went to war in the end because I planned to win anyway without Alexander's help, I just never expected to get back stabbed in such a way.

People keep saying the AI is really stupid...which is a shame, because as a new player that doesn't know much of anything yet, it does some really brilliant stuff. Like, I thought Alexander was a jerk face, but then Dido who was bad mouthing me for awhile, I sent a spy to watch her. I really wish it wasn't just coincidence, I was seriously impressed with the AI thinking it had some really great tactics. Like that thing with Alexander, at this point I'm by far the strongest nation in the world. She keeps bad mouthing me and my spy actually revealed that she was planning to attack several groups OTHER than me, it seems like she was legit trying to get them to attack me, who would wipe the floor with them and make them weak, so she could easily finish them off. Or at least that is what I thought was happening, but it seems it was just coincidence ....

That's why I was providing the info...

[Grendalcat]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by grognardgary:

!st attacking city statew at least pre community patch was never a good idea. they are the people that can help you win a diplo victory or help you keep others from doing so,

I wonder if I can win easily if I just get modern technology while everyone else is still in the Renaissance or something

Pretty much, if you have battleships, tanks, and bombers.

Also, welcome to the world of Civ 5!

[Raven]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Originally posted by Raven:

I wonder if I can win easily if I just get modern technology while everyone else is still in the Renaissance or something

Pretty much, if you have battleships, tanks, and bombers.

Also, welcome to the world of Civ 5!

thank you!

Originally posted by grognardgary:

That's why I was providing the info...

Ah, thank you. It seemed like you were chastising me for not knowing, I do appreciate the heads up (also what is the community patch?)

[grognardgary]

It isn't that hard to out tech everyone in base. Ejther tall or wide sepending on map size I geneally play huge maps

[grognardgary]

The community patch aka vox populi is a patch that adds a whole lot of stuff to the game and makes the ai a bit more aggressive into the bargain I just picked it up the other day and there are a lot of things I'm still trying to figure out.