Why is there no Hitler DLC?

[baconeggndeez]

I'm not trying to be offensive, but that would be cool. It's not like ALL the leaders in Civ V are neccesarily good. Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun aren't much better. Although I have nothing against Bismarck, he's not the first German leader to come to mind.

[The Rock God]

Diposting pertama kali oleh paugus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh lukebaird84:

freedom of the press.

That is not what freedom of press is. You don't have the right to freely say or do anything using Google's infrastructure. Them refusing to allow swastikas isn't suppressing any of your constitutional freedoms..

I just assumed that was part of his new improv routine that he was trying out here. Surely nobody would be so stupid as to call a business having rules about what they will sell "a suspension of freedom of the press".

[lukebaird84]

...ad hominem...just a little...?

You guys though did bring up several points that entered my head (although I absolutely did NOT say that you have the right to say or do anything using Google's infrastructure), but I just thought I'd say a couple thoughts. Steam is supposed to be a constructive community and I apologize we're moving from that

so back to being positive, good question Rantgay, but this thread pretty effectively shows why there's no Hitler DLC. It starts arguments :)

[The Doctor]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rantgay:

I'm not trying to be offensive, but that would be cool. It's not like ALL the leaders in Civ V are neccesarily good. Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun aren't much better. Although I have nothing against Bismarck, he's not the first German leader to come to mind.

No, it would not be 'cool'. There's nothing cool about Hitler or Nazi Germany.

Regarding Attila and Genghis Khan not being much better, Hitler and his mass murdering thugs actually KNEW better. They came from one of the most highly advanced 20th Century cultures and so they KNEW what they were doing was wrong and took great pains to conceal what they were doing from the German people and western Europeans as well.

Further, Hitler and his cronies brought utter ruin upon the German civilization. There is absolutely nothing for anyone to praise or admire in this despicable monster or his regime of utter terror. This is not a WW2 Strategy or wargame game and so there is no need for a DLC for him.

If you want to play as this sick monster, get a mod and everyone is happy.

[Matt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh The Doctor:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rantgay:

I'm not trying to be offensive, but that would be cool. It's not like ALL the leaders in Civ V are neccesarily good. Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun aren't much better. Although I have nothing against Bismarck, he's not the first German leader to come to mind.

No, it would not be 'cool'. There's nothing cool about Hitler or Nazi Germany.

Regarding Attila and Genghis Khan not being much better, Hitler and his mass murdering thugs actually KNEW better. They came from one of the most highly advanced 20th Century cultures and so they KNEW what they were doing was wrong and took great pains to conceal what they were doing from the German people and western Europeans as well.

Further, Hitler and his cronies brought utter ruin upon the German civilization. There is absolutely nothing for anyone to praise or admire in this despicable monster or his regime of utter terror. This is not a WW2 Strategy or wargame game and so there is no need for a DLC for him.

If you want to play as this sick monster, get a mod and everyone is happy.

No it would be COOL, there is plenty of cool things about Hitler and Nazi Germany as there is in all history. No one here is asking for a terrorist simulator where you play as Hitler and his generals and slaughter people, or fly planes into twin towers. He is asking for a historically accurate HISTORY game (shocking I know). If you are so offended by violence and real events that happened decades ago perhaps you should get off the internet and never go outside.

[Visi]

Don't ask questions you already know the answer to.

[gareeth]

It is against German law to anyway glorify that regime. The start up screen for any Cit is positive. Germany is a pretty bit market to not be in. So DLC to your hearts content but...

It's also too recent. Did Attila kill more people - yes. Was I related to any possibly but who cares now?

No one is saying it is about a stained past as no one who can read blames Germany for Hitler however I still know survivorrs so let's go with too soon.

Bismark is a better exampe anyway. Not without problems but doesn't violate German law..

Canada does not have anyone like Hitler. The countreis tht can claim to are what's left of the USSR,, China and uhm well Hitler places fourth overall for non-secondary deaths. ( That is if you subtract deaths due to war and only include those due to ideology ) The chilling thing is if he had stuck to his plan as what sets Hitler apart from the others is they killed within their own countries only.. Turns out you can kill 70 million and die beloved if they are all your own people.

To the extent that history is a part of this game (I think that was clearer in the first three ) one would hope that is the takeaway. Not like you can play as Stalin, Lenin or Mao either.

[gareeth]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Matt:

Diposting pertama kali oleh The Doctor:

No, it would not be 'cool'. There's nothing cool about Hitler or Nazi Germany.

No it would be COOL, there is plenty of cool things about Hitler and Nazi Germany as there is in all history. No one here is asking for a terrorist simulator where you play as Hitler and his generals and slaughter people, or fly planes into twin towers. He is asking for a historically accurate HISTORY game (shocking I know). If you are so offended by violence and real events that happened decades ago perhaps you should get off the internet and never go outside.

Hitler has no place in a game.. If you ignore that placing him in it would mean the biggest marker in the EU could not have the game..

You think genocide and the killing of the disabled is cool? There are games all about Hitler. Mocking people who prefer their history a little less disturbing and fresh isn't fair. Why don't you play a game all about him.

Historically he is interesting as is the response of world leaders but the problem with how he is interesting is people would just as soon forget that even the "good guys" were not that good. Open envy following what was then a two part release of his book was common enough.

For Hitler it is too soon.. But in general people only want so much truth with their history.. Not saying that is right but it is true. People like things black and white and when you say but this American general must celebrated never could seem to hit train tracks... that is more history than people want.. Or which world leaders openly envied the circumstances which they knew would allow Hitler to act..

The problem with Hitler beyond market issues is it is too soon. Surivivors are still alive for pete's sake. The trauma passed down is still alive. Hitler will never be cool.. Strategically interesting yes. Ostrich syndrome - where countries with good intelligence pretended to have no clue yes but that is what university is for not a game..

[LAG]

not going to represent south africa with apartheid regime or represent russia with stalin.

hitler would be nice as a mod, but making it a DLC or base game would piss off people uneccesary.

out of all, germans would be the ones who would be the most fuhrerious.

game would also be banned in a bunch of countries, germany espacially.

[The Rock God]

Based on my previous post here being ten hours ago, and these comments being 9 hours old, I'm going to guess this is the thread responsible for this:

http://imgur.com/a/ZcyNr

[Mocha]

If I remember correctly, Nazi Germany was actually very prosperous. Hitler rebuilt a staggered nation within a few years years then managed to beat back ALOT of Europes forces. Had he used better strategical planning he could of probably won the war.

Besides, you know, killing 6-11 million people.

[Trippelbob]

Stalin and Mao actually were included in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Civ IV :D
(though Civ IV came along with multiple leaders per civ)

[MaloJewell]

Hitler was no worse a monster than current leaders around the world drone bombing families from thousands of miles away. History doesn't get to be nit-picked where you can only show the good. History is ugly. History is bloody. History is brutal and unwavering in it's purity. The banning of certain parts of history is pretty short-sighted in my opinion as you can never truly understand yourself until you face the ugliest versions of yourself. Just my opinion, of course.

I would agree with most points here however, Bismark is a much better German leader than Hitler. Thusly, a mod is probably the best place for Hitler in this game.

[Hieronymus Bosch]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kniestrümpfe:

If I remember correctly, Nazi Germany was actually very prosperous. Hitler rebuilt a staggered nation within a few years years then managed to beat back ALOT of Europes forces. Had he used better strategical planning he could of probably won the war.

Besides, you know, killing 6-11 million people.

well replace the 6 with 50 and the 11 with 80 and you are right

[The Rock God]

The way I see it:

- Hitler starts WW2
- WW2 leads to US becoming global power
- Hitler loses WW2
- US helps rebuild Germany to avoid repeat of WW1 causing WW2
- Europe forms EEC to foster ties and maybe not have another WW
- Germany pulls itself back together
- EEC eventually becomes EU
- Germany economy gains strength
- Germany becomes major player in EU
- If Brexit really happens*, Germany runs EU

Basically, in the long view, Hitler turned Germany into the modern powerhouse it is. If Brexit happens* the EU becomes Germany's new empire to run as they please, with the two countries he didn't want to fight (US & UK) as it's close allies. GG, Adolf.

[paugus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh malo_jewell:

The banning of certain parts of history is pretty short-sighted in my opinion as you can never truly understand yourself until you face the ugliest versions of yourself. Just my opinion, of course.

This isn't a friggin' history textbook, it's an entertainment product, a video game sold internationally. You really don't see the massive difference between the two?

Diposting pertama kali oleh malo_jewell:

History doesn't get to be nit-picked where you can only show the good. History is ugly. History is bloody. History is brutal and unwavering in it's purity.

Pretty romanticized viewpoint. History absolutely gets 'nit-picked' and edited, it's called white-washing. Check out the Nanking Massacre and thousands of years worth of 'winners' writing history. I'm not advocating or agreeing with the practice, but pretending or wishing really hard it doesn't happen is a little naive.