Least Favorite Map?

[Thunder Bagel]

Out of both 1 & 2. Any map you just really didn't care for? For me, its Colorado. I'm not really feeling the rural setting. It's unique but doesn't really fit in with the grandiose assassination narrative you get with the other maps such as Paris or Sapienza.

[Mr_Faorry]

For season 1 it's Colorado, I'm not a fan of the whole "the entire map is hostile to you" gimmick.
For season 2 it's mumbai. The targets are really far apart and the gimmick of not knowing who the 3rd target is, while cool the first few times, is just annoying and tedious and I don't enjoy the setting and layout of the map, but that's a fault that lies with india itself.

[Aetherius]

Mumbai for 2, reason above. As for 1, probably Colorado or Bangkok, Bangkok being the fact that Cross was so isolated and the map was symmetrical. Morgan is too easy to assassinate anyway since he's there soon as you begin.

[Thunder Bagel]

jqtaxpayer eredeti hozzászólása:

1: Bangkok. I liked Colorado tbh, but I get why people wouldn't. It's pretty much like Hitman riffing on Splinter Cell, but I like Splinter Cell well enough.

2: Isle of Sgail. The Maelstrom gimmick is tedious, but you can always raise the flag and hit him at the meeting so it never really bothered me. If you want to talk tedious, let's talk about Whittleton Creek.

Haven’t played Whittleton Creek yet but it gives me very Hitman Blood Money vibes.

[burningmime]

Whittleton Creek. I'm from Vermont, and there's basically nowhere in Vermont like that. A suburb requires an urban area nearby, and requires a high concentration of wealth. Vermont is rural, and mostly poor, and though it has been taken over by rich yuppies moving from California, they're the types that want to live in small towns, not planned communities. Houses are mostly very old or built to fit in with the New England style. Also, the license plates aren't green. Feels more like Texas.

Also the level sucks.

In the first one, probably Bangkok. It was big and empty, and didn't feel at all like an actual hotel. Also, they didn't use the Thailand setting at all.

Mr_Faorry eredeti hozzászólása:

For season 1 it's Colorado, I'm not a fan of the whole "the entire map is hostile to you" gimmick.
For season 2 it's mumbai. The targets are really far apart and the gimmick of not knowing who the 3rd target is, while cool the first few times, is just annoying and tedious and I don't enjoy the setting and layout of the map, but that's a fault that lies with india itself.

I'm surprised at the hate Mumbai is getting. It's probably my favorite from Season 2. It's the huge, sprawling map filled with vertical layers and tons of ways to approach each target, a la Sapienza from the original. The Maelstrom thing is kind of cool, since it makes each play through a bit different (wish it was *more* different; turns out he's quite predictable).

IMO...
1. Sapienza
2. Mumbai
3. Hokkaido
4. Colombia
5. Isle of Seagull
6. Miami
7. Paris
8. Marrakesh
9. Colorado
10. Bangkok
11. Whitteton Creek
N/A. ICA Facility and Hawke's Bay (tutorial maps)

[Agent472]

Colorado

[Morthoseth]

Colorado; it's just a boring map
Miami; too busy

[Eddo]

Is interesting, Mr Faorry's reasoning for dislike is my reason for liking them.

It depends on what situation it is. A lot of people have said Mumbai, and their reason is compelling, but it was by far my favourite in Hitman 2 in that there is a lot of ways to get to each of the targets and it is very clever level in general. But I can see why on replays, it might not be such a popular level, Malmstrom identification is annoying and Rangan is an annoying target to get to. Is certainly not a level I just SA for fun, too annoying to do so. But I really appreciate the Kashrimiran (spl) plot line, I like out sourcing.

But, the targets being apart can be applied to Santa Fortuna. The 3 targets are miles apart and only a couple opportunities exist to bring them together. And likewise, I really don't think a cocaine cartel in South America is the most creative setting IOI had ever came up with. I think gaming in general is in love with the jungles and favelas of South America, wish they visit properly good looking cities like Buenos Aires and Montevideo (and many many many more) rather than the cliche.


Hitman 1. A lot of what Mumbai applies for Colorado. The most annoying thing is the Rose face/mask, it means you HAVE to get into the house. The SA/SO playthrough is the most "forced" of the lot; have to take advantage of copious amount of video game logic in the distraction and luring which I really didn't like. But, it is kind of a special level because it is entirely hostile and it is quite a unique level. It is not my favourite but I appreciate IOI for not using cookie cutter method of level design.


My least favourite for Hitman 1 is 100% Bangkok. Ken Morgan in general is a poorly designed target, all his opportunities take ages to come through and hence the poison method is really the way to go. You need to go through hoops to get him to deviate from his normal routine. While the hotel in general is meh. One of the wings are just half used, there is a lot of empty space in the game that is "there" but just not utilized. It is the one level that I feel the game made artificially big and it shows. Most of Marrakesh and Sapienza is unused for anything, but they made it look like there was a purpose to it.


I guess I appreciate levels that try to be different to the rest a lot more, which some sees as more of a gimmick.

[Kunovega]

Mr_Faorry eredeti hozzászólása:

For season 2 it's mumbai. The targets are really far apart and the gimmick of not knowing who the 3rd target is, while cool the first few times, is just annoying and tedious

Once you know who he is, his face is unique and never changes (his hair style and clothing do).

You can actually find him easily and kill him without going through the steps of getting Diana to mark him for you

Once you know what he looks like I find him to be a throwback to past games where your targets were not always displayed at all times and you had to actually find them

[Mr_Faorry]

Kunovega eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr_Faorry eredeti hozzászólása:

For season 2 it's mumbai. The targets are really far apart and the gimmick of not knowing who the 3rd target is, while cool the first few times, is just annoying and tedious

Once you know who he is, his face is unique and never changes (his hair style and clothing do).

You can actually find him easily and kill him without going through the steps of getting Diana to mark him for you

Once you know what he looks like I find him to be a throwback to past games where your targets were not always displayed at all times and you had to actually find them

Yeah, I've used the fact that he walks faster than regular npc's to spot him since I found that one out but it's just not all that fun waiting around a corner for that one guy who's walking a little quicker. Yeah I know he has other giveaways too but the walking speed is probably the easiest to notice.
While the older games were fun in that you didn't have your targets outlined in red at all times (I'm actually playing through all the games right now since I never finished any except Silent Assassin) but it just feels really out of place in this game since every other target is given to you.
I find other missions gimmicks less fun, the Sapienza virus is more annoying and Wittletons evidence search is the worst, this one isn't what makes or breaks the mission for me I just felt it worth mentioning since it is a contributing factor to my not liking the mission that doesn't go into nitpick territory.

[Kunovega]

Mr_Faorry eredeti hozzászólása:

While the older games were fun in that you didn't have your targets outlined in red at all times (I'm actually playing through all the games right now since I never finished any except Silent Assassin) but it just feels really out of place in this game since every other target is given to you.

Most elusive targets are not marked for you either. They are just trying to give you some variety of presentation.

I find other missions gimmicks less fun, the Sapienza virus is more annoying

I always got bored with that one, but again it's just a variety thing

and Wittletons evidence search is the worst, this one isn't what makes or breaks the mission for me I just felt it worth mentioning since it is a contributing factor to my not liking the mission that doesn't go into nitpick territory.

Whittleton creeks is super simple and fast once you know where all of them are, you only need 3 clues and 2 of them are next to each other while a 3rd one is almost right next to your 2nd target. You can finish the easy 3 in seconds while ignoring the ones that take longer to obtain.

[Mr_Faorry]

Kunovega eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr_Faorry eredeti hozzászólása:

While the older games were fun in that you didn't have your targets outlined in red at all times (I'm actually playing through all the games right now since I never finished any except Silent Assassin) but it just feels really out of place in this game since every other target is given to you.

Most elusive targets are not marked for you either. They are just trying to give you some variety of presentation.

I view ET's as their own things since they've got the whole 1 attempt and limited timeframe thing. I do find searching for them quite enjoyable since it makes you explore the map a fair bit to find them, I just don't find it fun with the maelstrom. Part of it is because he hangs out in the area littered with enforcers for everything you wear (a point I forgot to mention) and just because I don't like the mumbai map itself so exploring it isn't all that fun for me.

[lexilogo]

Season 1 I would say Marrakesh but Bangkok is a close second followed by Colorado. Those are the only thee modern Hitman maps (not counting tutorial levels) that I properly dislike.

For Season 2, I can understand some hate for Mumbai because of how confusing it can be, but I personally enjoy it. The Kashmirian was hillarious and I like how the Maelstrom is an optional objective you can bypass once you know enough. The real Maelstrom has a unique face, walks a little faster, and has numerous unique conversations with other NPCs so you can easily find him by walking through Mumbai and paying attention in the streets. If there's anything I think could really tie Mumbai together I would say they should've had a better way to kill Rangan without ever entering his tower, like maybe another "indirect kill" like Hokkaido had. (eg. screwing up one of his shady deals in such a way that it's going to backfire horribly on him) I personally like Mumbai though, it's a huge map with so many intricacies that I can't hate it.

Also, sidenote for Mumbai, the street enforcers are NOT universal Enforcers. If you pay attention while changing disguises, you'll notice that some disguises like Metal Worker, Holy Man and so on slip past different Enforcers. While some of them will always be Enforcers, changing disguise will switch a bunch of them around so clever use of that can get you through the streets easily enough.

My least favourite in Hitman 2 is probably Santa Fortuna, but that isn't saying much because I love all of this game's levels. I can understand why Whittleton Creek's evidence collecting is annoying for a lot of people (IMO if IO sped up certain animations like ladder climbing or the digging so it's less sluggish, it'd be a lot more forgivable. Also, maybe making stuff like playing the microfilm optional if you've already done it in the past, and just giving you the evidence collecting credit instantly?), though I think Santa Fortuna's sin of having 3 targets who are all miles away from each other is worse. Say what you like about Mumbai, but IMO the structure was better, because the Maelstrom was hiding out inbetween your two targets, and there were waaay more opportunities to make your targets meet.

[Kunovega]

lexilogo eredeti hozzászólása:

For Season 2, I can understand some hate for Mumbai because of how confusing it can be, but I personally enjoy it. The Kashmirian was hillarious and I like how the Maelstrom is an optional objective you can bypass once you know enough. The real Maelstrom has a unique face, walks a little faster, and has numerous unique conversations with other NPCs so you can easily find him by walking through Mumbai and paying attention in the streets. If there's anything I think could really tie Mumbai together I would say they should've had a better way to kill Rangan without ever entering his tower, like maybe another "indirect kill" like Hokkaido had. (eg. screwing up one of his shady deals in such a way that it's going to backfire horribly on him) I personally like Mumbai though, it's a huge map with so many intricacies that I can't hate it.

There are triggers that draw him out and numerous ways to kill Rangan as a result without going in the tower.

The Kashmirian story actually still requires you go into the tower since you need to set up the paint and takes longer than most methods where you don't go in the tower at all.

[Uncharted_Steve]

1. Sapeinza
2. Hokkaido
3. Miami
4. Paris
5. Whittleton Creek
6. Bangkok
7. Mumbai
8. Colombia
9. Isle of Seagall (this one could move up in time, love the location, just not feeling it)
10. Marrakesh
11. Colorado

[Temuldjin^]

I'm gonna join the "Colorado and Mumbai" dislike club.