IOI, please stop making NPC look rather stupid by having them shower/bathe in their clothes.

[Jonathan J. O'Neill]

It's 2019. People don't care about nudity like they did in the early 2000s. If you're going to have NPCs showering or bathing, could you please stop putting them in clothes? It's a shower, it's not sexual content.

Nothing takes me out of the moment as seeing an NPC do something stupid like that. We poison, stab, shoot, strangle and burn targets. We can handle genitalia and breasts.

[Mr_Faorry]

While I do agree that it's dumb how a bare boob is considered worse than murdering a bunch of people, the ESRB disagrees and doing so would cause the games ESRB rating to go up which technically makes the game less accessible to buy and lowers the pool of potential customers. From what I've heard Hitman 2 already sold poorly so it's understandable as to why they wouldn't add it to the game with the above in mind, especially since it doesn't add anything of value to the game that would be a selling point to people.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

From what I've heard Hitman 2 already sold poorly so

It did not sell poorly. Only local physical copies sales were "bad" and only in the UK, and quess why... because everyone buys digital copies of games, and considering it's UK, the country where everyone buys 3 copies of Fifa whenever it get's released, ofc ANY physical game is going to sell poorly, besides Fifa...

[Jonathan J. O'Neill]

A boob wouldn't add anything more. The game is already rated M. It wouldn't make it AO unless it became pornographic.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

A boob wouldn't add anything more. The game is already rated M. It wouldn't make it AO unless it became pornographic.

Just saying, but how about talking about it with americans? Where murder is allowed but nudity in any form is either a no-go or not looked at? And no: most publishers are NOT going to risk it.

Considering you are form the USA, you should be the one knowing it better.

[Bouncer]

Blame the US for being so obsessed with violence and afraid of sex. They're a very big reason why there's so little casual/logical nudity in most media.

Watch Dogs 2 got flak because if you shot and murdered a prostitute and inspected her corpse, you could see she wore no underwear under her skirt. They had to change that. Now you can murder innocents freely without having a chance to see something 50% of the world has.

I have seen youtube vids of The Frest where the creators had to censor the breasts and vaginas on a gruesome mutant monster until they were covered in enough blood so that wasn't visible anymore. A same thing happened with a horribly mutilated corpse in a Hannibal tv series (iirc) where the exposed butt had to be covered in blood to get greenlighted.

There are countless examples of this backwards ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, mostly in the US. And as long as that exists we'll keep having this stupidity of NPC's showering in underwear.

edit: Jesus, even Steam joins in on this prudishness by censoring the 'V-word'. I bet I can say rape, but I can't say vagina. Edit2: pleasantly surprised. Still stupid though.

[Jonathan J. O'Neill]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

A boob wouldn't add anything more. The game is already rated M. It wouldn't make it AO unless it became pornographic.

Just saying, but how about talking about it with americans? Where murder is allowed but nudity in any form is either a no-go or not looked at? And no: most publishers are NOT going to risk it.

Considering you are form the USA, you should be the one knowing it better.

Nudity in the US is not frowned on near as badly as it was in the past. You can look at several games released in the not so distant past that had nudity.

Witcher series
Heavy Rain
Saboteur
Duke Nukem Forever
God of War series
GTA IV and V
South Park Stick of Truth
Thief
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Conan: exiles

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Just saying, but how about talking about it with americans? Where murder is allowed but nudity in any form is either a no-go or not looked at? And no: most publishers are NOT going to risk it.

Considering you are form the USA, you should be the one knowing it better.

Nudity in the US is not frowned on near as badly as it was in the past. You can look at several games released in the not so distant past that had nudity.

Witcher series
Heavy Rain
Saboteur
Duke Nukem Forever
God of War series
GTA IV and V
South Park Stick of Truth
Thief
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Conan: exiles

It's gotten a tiny bit better over time but it's still nowhere near close enough for 'full frontal nudity in showers' you're asking for.

I believe all those titles you mention are 18+ and either play it safe by only showing breasts and butts, or are Conan and South Park who really don't give a ♥♥♥♥.

[Shoebsy]

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

A boob wouldn't add anything more. The game is already rated M. It wouldn't make it AO unless it became pornographic.

It's not about the rating (so much anymore) it's about the content. Many physical outlets will *not* buy a product that encourages sexuality in specific mediums (stuff they don't like, but tolerate as it gets them business)


The list you had is kinda perfect (except for South Park/Heavy Rain, which did not have a nudity rating in it for years)

Publishers and licencers will not encourage a product that may scare off potential chain/resellers. The Witcher series had a lot of mall-bans. Duke Nukem had plenty, God of War had more.. GTA has record-number bans..



It really doesn't matter online, as nudity is (le gasp) more welcome when you're making a purchase without the eyes of someone who can judge you.. but this is one of the biggest issues that physical copy sellers have. Game Of Thrones has a really interesting part in it's interview about wanting an implied-nude model on the box art, but was denied by HBO, because of potential ban scares. (despite HBO being very interesting in encouraging sexualization/pornography in their material.. and Game Of Thones having it in spades)


Anyways. While it wouldn't effect many sales on the average, everyday gamer.. This wouldn't encourage sales either when you also have random impluse buys for physical copies on the line..


You can't have your cake and eat it, here. Maybe if IO decided for an online release only? But they've not been successful enough for that.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Bouncer:

It's gotten a tiny bit better over time but it's still nowhere near close enough for 'full frontal nudity in showers' you're asking for.

I believe all those titles you mention are 18+ and either play it safe by only showing breasts and butts, or are Conan and South Park who really don't give a ♥♥♥♥.

exactly this. and honestly: i think the USA are going to regress in the next upcoming years on that matter. thanks to all their SJW bullsh*t going on.

[NuclearSnail]

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

It's 2019. People don't care about nudity like they did in the early 2000s. If you're going to have NPCs showering or bathing, could you please stop putting them in clothes? It's a shower, it's not sexual content.

Nothing takes me out of the moment as seeing an NPC do something stupid like that. We poison, stab, shoot, strangle and burn targets. We can handle genitalia and breasts.

Yeah most people can, but there's still enough immature people to cause a legal stink... Sadly... Also in Absolution Diana was nude in the shower and nobody cared. Assassins creed origins had nude NPCs walking around all over the place. It's not like it's even edgy anymore.

[Kunovega]

Just curious but where is there bathing or showering in the game? I hadn't even noticed any

[Jonathan J. O'Neill]

In this game, Hawke's Bay. Orson showers in his underwear. Guy in the shower in Hokkaido. In Absolution, you had Diana in the first mission. A shower curtain materialized out of nowhere (she was in a walk-in shower without one IIRC). I'm not saying it's a major part of the game, which is another reason there's no reason to censor it as it's so uncommon. It just stands out when you see it.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

Just curious but where is there bathing or showering in the game? I hadn't even noticed any

Only place I can think of is the Hokkaido showers near the room where you get the implant control, there's a bloke in the shower with his back to the room, easy spot to grab a staff disguise.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by SpaceBones:

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

It's 2019. People don't care about nudity like they did in the early 2000s. If you're going to have NPCs showering or bathing, could you please stop putting them in clothes? It's a shower, it's not sexual content.

Nothing takes me out of the moment as seeing an NPC do something stupid like that. We poison, stab, shoot, strangle and burn targets. We can handle genitalia and breasts.

Yeah most people can, but there's still enough immature people to cause a legal stink... Sadly... Also in Absolution Diana was nude in the shower and nobody cared. Assassins creed origins had nude NPCs walking around all over the place. It's not like it's even edgy anymore.

Almost nothing of Diana is shown during that scene except a glimpse of her backside and even then it's through steam and blurry

https://youtu.be/mj61zorOXkE

https://youtu.be/rcSel0FbxnY

There's girls in bikinis that show more than what you see of her

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

In this game, Hawke's Bay. Orson showers in his underwear. Guy in the shower in Hokkaido. In Absolution, you had Diana in the first mission. A shower curtain materialized out of nowhere (she was in a walk-in shower without one IIRC). I'm not saying it's a major part of the game, which is another reason there's no reason to censor it as it's so uncommon. It just stands out when you see it.

Yea I meant Hitman 2 not absolution, that one I remembered

I'd forgoten about the guy in Hookkaido and orson, they are such minor parts of the game