Subnautica: Below Zero

Subnautica: Below Zero

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allocater Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:06pm
Melting ice to get water
We are in a bit of an awkward situation here, because technically freshwater is plentiful in the region. All you have to do is melt the ice. So why are we still hunting bladder fish?

I think at least in mid-game acquiring water should transition to melting ice. Maybe have ice surfaces spawn ice-pebbles. You then have to put the ice-pebbles into a new base building called "heater" to turn it into water. Of course it would require a huge amount of energy.
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Storm Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:09pm 
MIght as well just fill a few buckets and let it melt naturally in a base without using extra power. But I don't see why you couldn't use the fabricator for it.
Last edited by Storm; Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:09pm
Ishan451 Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:22pm 
Yeah, this seems silly.
darkdisciple1313 Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:25pm 
The ice might be contaminated in the same way the ocean water is, which may not respond to the bleach treatment. I do agree, though, that arctic-style ice should be the purest on the entire planet. But, you know, plot and lazy writing abound, even if by accident.
Storm Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by Ishan451:
Yeah, this seems silly.

Maybe the ice isn't actually ice but just cold bacteria that looks and feels like ice and even heating it up won't kill it and if you drink it it's very toxic...
Cougarific Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:26pm 
Never seen anything on the Roadmap/Dev Favro about new ways to obtain water.

Makes sense tho, from a "realistic" and gameplay perspective. Use knife on ice to get Ice Chunks, bring them back to base and combine with.......*something* in the Fab to create a bottle of drinkable water.

The Bladderfish is technically a living filter but it wouldn't make sense to use a water-producing creature in another water recipe.
Last edited by Cougarific; Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:27pm
Storm Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by darkdisciple1313:
The ice might be contaminated in the same way the ocean water is, which may not respond to the bleach treatment. I do agree, though, that arctic-style ice should be the purest on the entire planet. But, you know, plot and lazy writing abound, even if by accident.

If it is actually ice and it is actually contaminated the water would be too but you can filter that with a bladderfish
darkdisciple1313 Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:28pm 
Originally posted by PENGUIN SLAYER:
Originally posted by Ishan451:
Yeah, this seems silly.

Maybe the ice isn't actually ice but just cold bacteria that looks and feels like ice and even heating it up won't kill it and if you drink it it's very toxic...

Sound like an episode of The X-Files that I watched a few days back. Polar ice thaws, team gets taken over by insanity-causing microbes, chaos ensues, Mulder glowers, Scully yells a lot, people die, the dog lives (of course), the Americans come in and rescue the remainders and "sanitize" the site for the good of all (of course).

You may be on to something. If Gillian Anderson shows up, run.
Ishan451 Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:31pm 
Originally posted by PENGUIN SLAYER:
Maybe the ice isn't actually ice but just cold bacteria that looks and feels like ice and even heating it up won't kill it and if you drink it it's very toxic...

We already know the ocean contains water, because they choose to use the same planet as the first game... which means the ocean is water and salt (which is why the filtration unit works).

Which thus means that you are surrounded by Ice and snow in the cold climates, because that is how physics work. The sun heats up the ocean, it changes states into Gas, it raises into the cold air, cools down, forms water in the air again, and then falls to the ground as slow, as it further gets exposed to the cold air.

So no, its not cold bacteria. And its silly not to just let people melt snow. Fresh Water is not a concern in an arctic survival situation where you have loads of snow... heat is.

In the first game heat wasn't really much of an issue due to it being presented like a tropical environment, but i would expect heat to be a serious concern in below zero... hunting for bladder fish is hopefully just a legacy thing and will be replaced rather quickly.

Still makes sense to have filtration stations and such for deep sea bases.
Last edited by Ishan451; Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:35pm
Sharindel Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:18pm 
Don't forget one thing... the water even artic water is at a temprature of zero celusius or 32 fahrenheit at ther absolute minimum. If you go outsite the water, you have tempratures that are drop to -50 degree or more if there is wind and rain. You are freezing to death in no time.. without propper equipment.

I think this equipment, that is shown in the wardrobe will be used in the final game.. and get damaged so you must stay under water and only minimal time you can go to the surface and breath.. go outside the water, without a suit or a prawn will kill you in moments. Thats why the heating plants and heating pools are everywhere.

So do the protagonist has time to cut ice? i don't think so.. but yeah it would be cool that there are other mechanics. Like a rain collector or a ice melder where you can collect with propper equipment.
Last edited by Sharindel; Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:19pm
Lady Tiamat Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:20pm 
Don't eat the yellow snow...
allocater Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:26pm 
Well some ice is also under water, so if the cold on the surface prevents you from cutting ice, you can always cut it below.

Also I am not sure how it works exactly, but if you have a suit that insulates you against 0° water, wouldn't that also insulate against -50° air? Since water has far higher heat transfer capabilities.
Ishan451 Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:39pm 
Originally posted by Sharindel:
So do the protagonist has time to cut ice?

Swimm over to ice, break ice covering ocean from below, reach out, push all snow in the immediate vicinity into a bag. close tightly by twisting bag, swim back with your bag of fresh water.


Besides... isn't one of the features of this game gonna be a snowmobile type?

This is the promotional shot:

https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/5312/89d259c4428de2d38025378146d2de1dc8c3287b.jpg

That looks to me like we are gonna spend equal parts outside as well as inside. And it would be strange if they didn't plan some mechanic for leviathans to hunt you through the ice, if they open with a promotion like that.
Sharindel Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:40pm 
Originally posted by allocater:
Well some ice is also under water, so if the cold on the surface prevents you from cutting ice, you can always cut it below.

Also I am not sure how it works exactly, but if you have a suit that insulates you against 0° water, wouldn't that also insulate against -50° air? Since water has far higher heat transfer capabilities.

Thats a good question!
In reallife you have different dive suits. But let us show the full suites only.
There are wet and dry suits. In the wetsuite you get wet... so its not fully enclosed. The drysuite you are fully enclosed. The drysuites are for tempretures at 12 to 0 °C. They can hold the temprature some time in the arctic are. But thats are bare moments. The material is build to insulate to a 0° C Enviroment. Not less temprature.

The material must be thicker and thicker as lower the tempratures get. So you must build a full enclosed suit, with a heating device in it. So... yeah.. but let us view at the original. Enviromental hassards are bare minimum at subnautica. Only heat... and for that you have a robust suit. Not even a full enclosed one. Only the radiation suit was full enclosed.

I hope that below zero get more surivial mechanics... heat and weater is now a thing in the newest exp build. So cold/heat mechanics will come, i hope that pressure will also get a role... no human can dive without a protection suite near 1,5 kilometers or a mile below... thats 150 bar of pressure...
Jabrwock Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:45pm 
Originally posted by Sharindel:
i hope that pressure will also get a role... no human can dive without a protection suite near 1,5 kilometers or a mile below... thats 150 bar of pressure...
I don't think we're getting 1500m depths this time around. I think the deepest part of the map is 900m? There's a lot more hazardous "above ground" areas to compensate. Like the ice fields. So some areas you're worrying about crush depth and oxygen, and other areas temperature via exposure.
Sharindel Feb 14, 2019 @ 1:46pm 
Originally posted by Ishan451:
That looks to me like we are gonna spend equal parts outside as well as inside. And it would be strange if they didn't plan some mechanic for leviathans to hunt you through the ice, if they open with a promotion like that.

They will plan some overwater mechanics and gear, thats true. I don't say a thing agains it. But the first phase of the game is... get eqiup, get a base, prepare for higher tier enviroments. Subnautica the first game, you must collect equipment to get deeper and deeper. Why the forget the diver.. i don't know.

But why have only the first phase of the game... we are even befor the part "build a base and get to the aurora", so the higher tier survival aspects, like water and food and cold and deep mechanics are not really there.

So yeah, ice collection would be cool, but not in the first phase of the survival progression. I hope so there will be more methods to collect food and water. Cutting ice and melt them would be really cool. Maybe the "moveable drill" is for this kind of mechanics?
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Date Posted: Feb 14, 2019 @ 12:06pm
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