Question about a certain character...[Spoilers]

[The Zohan]

Are we still going to gloss over how Marguerite managed to travel from the original location of Subnautica to the ice location? There's, you know, the whole V O I D

:p

[Arondil]

In the current stable branch you can find PDAs explaining that. It's not glossed over, just not presented on a silver plate.

Short version - she drifted to Sector Zero on the corpse of the reaper that destroyed the 500m Degasi base.

[dragonbornzyra]

I understand the game's description of how she made it. I just find that description incredibly unbelievable. Let's see a check list of why it's inplausable she made it to Sector Zero:

Ghost Leviathans: I think this supercedes all other problems and obstacles. Simply put, once in the Void/Dead zone, the Ancient Ghost Leviathans should have attacked her. Both her and the corpse of the Reaper. Intrusions upon their territory after all. At no point do the PDAs or Maida herself describe coming across Ghosties, and swimming/floating at the surface will NOT protect you from them. There's just no way she made it past the Ghost Leviathans.

Reaper Liferaft: I just don't buy that she floated to the other side of the planet on a carcass.

Food/water: No way she's surviving off rotting Reaper flesh, and she used the fat to start fires somehow, so with mostly lean muscle what exactly nourished her? Would not consuming your life raft also reduce the amount of time it'd stay afloat?

Currents/Weather patterns: Not only did she somehow manage to end up at Sector Zero and not anywhere else of open endless Ocean until she died, but the Weather allowed her safe passage for some reason.

Survives landing: Not only did she make it to Sector Zero, she some how gets there and manages to stay alive, fending off any local hostile fauna in a weakened state with basically nothing.

Now any one of these circumstances can spell doom, and even one of them would be hard to explain or justify. But all of these factors compounding together and it's not even believable in the realm of the game. There is no suspension of disbelief.

I love Maida, and I enjoy having her around, but good gosh they could have come up with a better explanation than what we're given.

[The Zohan]

Wow ok, didn't thought the explaination would be that simplistically unbelievable.
Thanks for letting me properly know what the story behind it is!

[miklkit]

Originally posted by angisilexpen:

In the current stable branch you can find PDAs explaining that. It's not glossed over, just not presented on a silver plate.

Short version - she drifted to Sector Zero on the corpse of the reaper that destroyed the 500m Degasi base.

Ayup. It's how they ended up on the Subnautica map in the first place. They drifted there. Oceans have these things called currents.

[The Zohan]

Originally posted by miklkit:

Originally posted by angisilexpen:

In the current stable branch you can find PDAs explaining that. It's not glossed over, just not presented on a silver plate.

Short version - she drifted to Sector Zero on the corpse of the reaper that destroyed the 500m Degasi base.

Ayup. It's how they ended up on the Subnautica map in the first place. They drifted there. Oceans have these things called currents.

I would read dragonbornzyra's post because he/she comes up with many points that basically debunks what you just said:"currents".

[miklkit]

Have you never heard of the Roaring Forties? That is the only latitudes where there is no land to break up the winds and currents here on Earth, and 4546B has little land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Forties

[The Zohan]

Originally posted by miklkit:

Have you never heard of the Roaring Forties? That is the only latitudes where there is no land to break up the winds and currents here on Earth, and 4546B has little land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Forties

Haven't heard of it before. Now I know something new, thanks!
To me this still isn't a valid counter argument. To use 'real life' facts and logic compared with the exisiting game facts and logic, that doesn't truely work. You can't mix real life facts and logic when the game itself has it's own version of facts and logic.


But let's say you what you said were to be true, it still doesn't explains the fact/logic how Marguerite survived the Void + survived for that long with these not hard to miss problems:

Originally posted by dragonbornzyra:

Ghost Leviathans: I think this supercedes all other problems and obstacles. Simply put, once in the Void/Dead zone, the Ancient Ghost Leviathans should have attacked her. Both her and the corpse of the Reaper. Intrusions upon their territory after all. At no point do the PDAs or Maida herself describe coming across Ghosties, and swimming/floating at the surface will NOT protect you from them. There's just no way she made it past the Ghost Leviathans.

Reaper Liferaft: I just don't buy that she floated to the other side of the planet on a carcass.

Food/water: No way she's surviving off rotting Reaper flesh, and she used the fat to start fires somehow, so with mostly lean muscle what exactly nourished her? Would not consuming your life raft also reduce the amount of time it'd stay afloat?

Currents/Weather patterns: Not only did she somehow manage to end up at Sector Zero and not anywhere else of open endless Ocean until she died, but the Weather allowed her safe passage for some reason.

Survives landing: Not only did she make it to Sector Zero, she some how gets there and manages to stay alive, fending off any local hostile fauna in a weakened state with basically nothing.

[bb 80]

So out of these tunnels and then on and on. I hope they come with something better or you know not stupid.
Our air only lasts for a few minutes but hers for hours... ok and that is not the only plothole in that story. Maybe she is a force ghost or the protagonist is just insane.

[Damnion]

I dunno, maybe the ghost leviathins prefer their targets alive, or focus on movement and she was able to stay hidden on the corpse. It is rather unbelievable that she made it all the way there, but she is THE bad-ass. She did plenty of unbelievable things in the story of Subnautica, like for instance kill the reaper leviathan with just a hunk of metal from the wreckage of the sea base that was destroyed around her. Legendary characters perform legendary deeds.

[Arondil]

From the Ghost Leviathans' PDA entry:

While fully capable of tearing through the flesh of any creature in range, all evidence indicates that mature ghost leviathans feed on microscopic lifeforms in the waters around the edges of the inhabited zone. Their vicious attacks on interlopers to their domain are not predatory in nature, but territorial. A creature so vast requires a huge expanse of water to satisfy its daily calorie requirements.

A dead reaper doesn't pose a threat to a ghost or its territory. If anything, a decomposing body is a rich source of microbial life. That, of course, causes other problems for Marguerit because such a food source would surely attract a ghost.

[Casino]

Haven't read the PDA's, do they explain how she didn't die from kharaa?

[miklkit]

Nope. Apparently when it is cured in SN Maida is cured along with everything else.

[Casino]

Originally posted by miklkit:

Nope. Apparently when it is cured in SN Maida is cured along with everything else.

Huh, well I guess it's possible that she just didn't get infected in the first place - it's not as though every creature in og SN had kharaa pustules. For some reason this now makes me wonder though how all the animals in sector zero didn't die off from kharaa seeing as the only enzyme-producing sea emperor was stuck in the crater; and we know that kharaa was present in sector zero from the body of the frozen leviathan.

[miklkit]

No, the SN PDAs make it clear she was infected too. How did she get cured? Dunno. Maybe she caught and ate a golden peeper and got cured that way?

[dragonbornzyra]

Originally posted by angisilexpen:

From the Ghost Leviathans' PDA entry:

While fully capable of tearing through the flesh of any creature in range, all evidence indicates that mature ghost leviathans feed on microscopic lifeforms in the waters around the edges of the inhabited zone. Their vicious attacks on interlopers to their domain are not predatory in nature, but territorial. A creature so vast requires a huge expanse of water to satisfy its daily calorie requirements.

A dead reaper doesn't pose a threat to a ghost or its territory. If anything, a decomposing body is a rich source of microbial life. That, of course, causes other problems for Marguerit because such a food source would surely attract a ghost.

I'd imagine if we made a raft or floating ship and tried to sail out into the void on the surface, the Ghosties would attack the raft/ship. It's not alive, but it's still a moving object in their territory. They attack us in our Seamoth/Prawn/Cyclops, which is metal and not organic.

So, I believe that they'd still attack both Maida, and the Reaper corpse.

But you also bring up a good point about the microbial life forms.

And Casino also brought up what I forgot to mention: The Khaara itself affecting Maida, further reducing her health and chances of survival.

There's a different between Legendary and out right Unbelievable.

I might believe a badass got into a fist fight with a Grizzly bear and won. Maybe.

But I'm not gonna believe that a badass kicked a Tornado so hard they put it out.