Is there literally ANY viable reason for picking Marie over Honoka, Ayane, etc.?

[Fenrir]

Ever since I hit C rank, I've been getting absolutely destroyed. I'm even losing simple exchanges from both players doing a neutral P because apparently everyone under the sun has a faster neutral P than Marie (well, at least those in top tier do anyway). It also sucks having to put in double the effort as Honoka and just have her close the gap with a simple one or two hit.

Meanwhile, your damage is so garbage as Marie, you have to deal like 5 hit combos just to match Honoka's strength with less hits involved. It's ridiculous. I mean, I already knew Marie was trash tier when going into this, but you don't really start seeing why until later on.

Ayane pretty much destroys you in speed and technical fighting, so you have absolutely no way of getting a hit in before she does. Honoka will curbstomp you because she hits like a truck. I'm just seeing less and less of a reason to play Marie right now, honestly. I'm half-tempted to just say screw it and swap to Honoka so I can have my wins handed to me on a silver platter with less effort involved.

It just sucks having to try so hard with Marie when you can accomplish the same amount of damage much easier with a LOT of the other characters this game has to offer. Marie requires too many tricks to actually be effective and even then, the damage doesn't justify the effort. Not only that, but all it usually takes is a quick tap to knock you out of your feints and stuff anyway, giving your opponent the momentum.

I already ragequit on two matches today, but I guess there's a first time for everything. I was comfortable until I hit C rank, but now all of the tricks and setups I was using before aren't really working because they're able to interrupt them so quickly and can shift the momentum to their side, making it difficult to even find an opening. Trust me, you don't want to be on the receiving end of an Ayane or Honoka aggressively attacking you.


EDIT: Welp, just tanked from 60% to 51% win rate in one day. I played over 30 matches and only managed to win 7. Probably time to find a main that isn't trash tier and make things easier on myself so I don't have to try as hard for good damage. There's a reason why you very rarely see Marie in C rank and above, and it's not because there just aren't many Marie players.

It's because people already know she's garbage and they're avoiding her like the plague. I've probably only met MAYBE 6 Marie players since I started playing, so yeah... It's probably just better to swap mains instead of trying to dig my way out of the this landfill. Anything Marie can do, 90% of the cast can do better, so I'm probably done with her. A shame, really.

[Blue Eyes White Coffee]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Is there literally ANY viable reason for picking Marie over Honoka, Ayane, etc.?

uh... it's fun?

well, nobody picked Marie at that weekly tournament so i guess that says something about her in competitive side

[Fenrir]

Well, it's not really fun when you're losing most of your matches because you've reached a point on the ladder where everyone is picking characters better than your own. Bass is the ONLY one that's even worse than Marie and I think even he's better because of his grapples. None of my stuff works any more because:

A. I don't have the damage to compete.
B. I don't have throw combos like everyone else.
C. I'm not able to apply pressure as well because I'm getting beat in priority every time.

So yeah, everyone has better combos, better damage, and is faster (despite Marie being the smallest character in the game). You're basically just doomed to lose a majority of your matchups if you pick her, which is unfortunate.

[Discane]

If you need dmg there are always some hard to do combos.

I'm sure ppl you met on C already doing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkeeBkAlvaY

[B(.Y.)BIES!]

"i suck with Marie, so everyone should".

[Gaxkang]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Well, it's not really fun when you're losing most of your matches because you've reached a point on the ladder where everyone is picking characters better than your own. Bass is the ONLY one that's even worse than Marie and I think even he's better because of his grapples. None of my stuff works any more because:

A. I don't have the damage to compete.
B. I don't have throw combos like everyone else.
C. I'm not able to apply pressure as well because I'm getting beat in priority every time.

So yeah, everyone has better combos, better damage, and is faster (despite Marie being the smallest character in the game). You're basically just doomed to lose a majority of your matchups if you pick her, which is unfortunate.

Throw combos are only great if they actually land. In my experience landing throws online is pretty difficult...much less ones that aren't basic throws.
Throws that are a bit more cheesy are more valuable I guess...as in, not having to be that close and hitting well.

And I dunno, from what I've seen of Marie Rose her damage can get things done. But maybe Ayane is easier to use.

I think Bass is considered right now to be one of the best characters when played to his capacity.

Priority is a thing one has to try to gel with I guess...at the start of a fight, at least online, at the beginning of a fight one should probably expect to always be out-prioritized if just clashing strings.
I always expect to be hit first. So I'l try other stuff, sidestepping, or just blocking. I occasionally attack at start of round and sometimes get priority...I just don't expect it.

Combos are great as long as they aren't held...some strings in the game have a high chance of being held, lessening their value if done completely. Mixup's and fake out's become central gameplay because of that.
Another thing is trying to bait holds, to then throw for bigger damage. May work sometimes.

[Mavi]

It's the C ranks where people start to have better fundamentals in this game.

Before the C ranks most players only know one or two tactics they're good at at best. That changes somewhere along the way.

People above C ranks suddenly know how to hold your most important strings and use much more of the core mechanics of the game. As someone who is not experienced in Doa it will take some time to adjust.

[Sigma993]

As someone who plays Marie quite frequently I do get your point!
Ryu and Honoka are my most played characters followed by Marie and especially the gap between Ryu and Marie is night and day.
Ryu`s quite hard to master but easily one of the strongest characters in the game.

Honoka is pretty decent as well, but she has a low range!
Characters like Ayane are still hard to deal with!

I`m not taking this game too srsly, so it`s easy for me to say that if I was you I`d just stick with characters u actually enjoy playing, no matter how much garbage they are.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by B(.Y.)BIES!:

"i suck with Marie, so everyone should".

This isn't what I'm saying at all, lol. You can suck with mid-top tier characters too, you know. It's just that you have to try a bit harder to win with Marie, that's all.

Originally posted by xDarkReaperx:

As someone who plays Marie quite frequently I do get your point!
Ryu and Honoka are my most played characters followed by Marie and especially the gap between Ryu and Marie is night and day.
Ryu`s quite hard to master but easily one of the strongest characters in the game.

Honoka is pretty decent as well, but she has a low range!
Characters like Ayane are still hard to deal with!

I`m not taking this game too srsly, so it`s easy for me to say that if I was you I`d just stick with characters u actually enjoy playing, no matter how much garbage they are.

Yeah, Hayabusa is a pain in the ass with Marie for sure. He's just so fast and hard to keep up with, honestly. The only way I've managed to win against Hayabusa players is by pressuring them so they're not given time to set up. Otherwise, once a Hayabusa begins applying pressure, it's really difficult to find an opening.

He's definitely harder to play than Marie, but it also pays off since he's top tier material in DOA6 (not sure how he was in DOA5LR).

[Gmit]

I don't play this game long enough to give you any specific tips but just know that in fighting games you can win anyone with any character as long as you're good enough with her. Changing a main wont make you a better player but you might be better with her overall. If i were you i would be sticking with my main and forcing myself to change my mentality and play style to the opponent so in the long run i would get better with a character i like instead of being good with a character that i dislike or half like you get my point.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by Gmit:

I don't play this game long enough to give you any specific tips but just know that in fighting games you can win anyone with any character as long as you're good enough with her. Changing a main wont make you a better player but you might be better with her overall. If i were you i would be sticking with my main and forcing myself to change my mentality and play style to the opponent so in the long run i would get better with a character i like instead of being good with a character that i dislike or half like you get my point.

Yeah, that works to an extent, but you need to understand your limitations too. For example, I used to main Sakura back in SFIV days and the ONLY character worse than her, in the entire roster, was Dan. You had characters like Sagat who were incredibly OP at the time, so if you ever found yourself in a situation where Sakura was fighting Sagat, all you could really do is pray since she'd lose a majority of those matches.

There's nothing worse than seeing an OP character deal a simple 3-hit combo and do the same amount of damage you get out of a 6 or 7-hit. When the character is that much stronger than you are, it's really hard to compete (it's also why 9 times out of 10, you see the same handful of characters in the top 8 at tournaments since the lower tier characters were knocked out in the top 16 or lower). Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying, but regardless of how good you get with Marie, it'll never bridge the gap between her character and say... Hayabusa or Ayane for example.

If we're going under the assumption that both players are of equal skill, Marie will lose that matchup probably 8-2 or 7-3. If you want to tackle those odds, then by all means... Just know what you're getting into, that's all. You're going to have to put in a bit more work than most of the other characters to get the same results, so your wins will be few and far between.

Long story short... Because of Marie's shortcomings, even an average Hayabusa or Ayane could stand up to you even if you're good with her. Their characters are covering their weaknesses, whereas your own character is weighing you down and you're having to try harder just to do the same thing these two are capable of. It's no different than trying to use a weaker gun in a FPS and constantly finding yourself losing to players who are using the stronger weapon(s).

[Miuna]

i play Marie, i admit at C rank i have lost a lot... but i play her because its fun, i don't mind a loss if i enjoy it.

[Wizard Skeleton]

she's cuter

[Gmit]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Originally posted by Gmit:

I don't play this game long enough to give you any specific tips but just know that in fighting games you can win anyone with any character as long as you're good enough with her. Changing a main wont make you a better player but you might be better with her overall. If i were you i would be sticking with my main and forcing myself to change my mentality and play style to the opponent so in the long run i would get better with a character i like instead of being good with a character that i dislike or half like you get my point.

Yeah, that works to an extent, but you need to understand your limitations too. For example, I used to main Sakura back in SFIV days and the ONLY character worse than her, in the entire roster, was Dan. You had characters like Sagat who were incredibly OP at the time, so if you ever found yourself in a situation where Sakura was fighting Sagat, all you could really do is pray since she'd lose a majority of those matches.

There's nothing worse than seeing an OP character deal a simple 3-hit combo and do the same amount of damage you get out of a 6 or 7-hit. When the character is that much stronger than you are, it's really hard to compete (it's also why 9 times out of 10, you see the same handful of characters in the top 8 at tournaments since the lower tier characters were knocked out in the top 16 or lower). Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying, but regardless of how good you get with Marie, it'll never bridge the gap between her character and say... Hayabusa or Ayane for example.

If we're going under the assumption that both players are of equal skill, Marie will lose that matchup probably 8-2 or 7-3. If you want to tackle those odds, then by all means... Just know what you're getting into, that's all. You're going to have to put in a bit more work than most of the other characters to get the same results, so your wins will be few and far between.

Long story short... Because of Marie's shortcomings, even an average Hayabusa or Ayane could stand up to you even if you're good with her. Their characters are covering their weaknesses, whereas your own character is weighing you down and you're having to try harder just to do the same thing these two are capable of. It's no different than trying to use a weaker gun in a FPS and constantly finding yourself losing to players who are using the stronger weapon(s).

That's a strong argument but you have to remember that people already did some crazy stuff and the comparison between the fps genre is not valid in my opinion because of all the different factors. at the end of the day its a fighting game and if you play your character good enough and know the match ups and really gets down with the game you'll beat anyone no matter the character they are playing. try to save matches that you lost and try to see what you did wrong and what they did right so the next time you're in that situation you'll know what to do. If Rangchyu manage to win with panda you can win with Marie. you just need to want it

[Monterossa]

The answer is no. Most of the main Marie Rose players pick her because she's cute.

If you want to win, pick someone else online and just use Marie in offline.

[kernot]

Firstly, admit fact that you are trash and don`t deserve to play her.
Secondary get you sh.t together and do some practice and studying: her P is i10, and if i recall right only 5 have i9(Eliot use 7P for i9). By the way Bass have i13. You end up against fist users? You know that MR is a nightmare for them if you know how to use Rondo.

To sum it up. MR was designed as counter fighter: she have no raw power, her moves way to short or have very big incoming, but her holds deals a lot of damage and her master holds gives you free launches as well. Whole her gameplay is a guessing game: whenever you guess wrong - you are punished, but when your opponent do so - they gonna cry like you do now.