Just reaction time?

[The Big Fish]

I'm 40 and my reactions suck. Is it basically impossible to play this game? I've worked through all the DS games never parrying.

[The Big Fish]

Originally posted by keikei:

This game is an evolved version of DS,

Evolved version where you can literally only play one way? Seems devolved.

[Sobrio]

You can learn to parry all attacks whitout sharp reaction.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Sobrio:

You can learn to parry all attacks whitout sharp reaction.

His problem is that he quit because he think he have to memoryze everything, according to him he can not just react before the enemy land the attack.

Originally posted by The Ol' Razzle:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Dark Souls you also have to memoryze attack patterns and at least certain stances to deal with so . . . I dont really know what you are talking about with "I'd rather have Dark Souls back!" as you can also play Sekiro as if it was Dark Souls and still beat it from beginning to end.

Nope, wrong. I've finished all the dark souls games, and you don't have to do this. When it looks like they're gonna hit you, you can run away or block or roll. You don't at all need to know what exact move they're doing.

Because, depite I having posted videos of guys using dodge instead of deflect:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

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This is the final boss and in case you dont want spoilers, dont watch, but the guy is using only attacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoUPIgrVEc
Here guys is not using deflect neither attack at all, just monk skills and dodging into with dodge or jump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x063uHA83VI

https://steamcommunity.com/app/814380/discussions/0/1864994060719875545/?ctp=3#c2146469347108106922
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He still with his mind locked into "I must learn everything and I must react to everything with deflect and everything else and I can not play Sekiro as if it was a Dark Souls game" when in fact he can straight up go and play Sekiro as if it was Dark Souls, from the very beginning to the very end of it (just some enemies will be harder than others, but still, it all is doable with just dodge + attack . . . or dodge + monk skills).

He said he quit because he still blind (now by his own option, he literally want to be blind by what was presented to him) so . . . I quit arguing and trying to help someone that literally dont want help, want just to blame the game and that is it.

[The Big Fish]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

He said he quit because he still blind

LOL, I never said that, but OK chief.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by The Ol' Razzle:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

He said he quit because he still blind

LOL, I never said that, but OK chief.

I said you are blind because you dont want to see what is in front of you, that you dont need to memoryze a thing and can just use dodge and attack . . . basically you "never said" you are blind, you are just being blind to the fact you can play it differently from just deflecting and from learning every enemy move and every "reaction" for every move (as, again, you can use just dodge and attack like at Dark Souls, as shown at the videos), you are blind because "you dont want to see another way" or just dont want to accept the way you tried (or was told) to play is not the only way.

[keikei]

Originally posted by The Ol' Razzle:

Originally posted by keikei:

This game is an evolved version of DS,

Evolved version where you can literally only play one way? Seems devolved.

That is not true watsoever. Fromsoft did away, most of it, of the cheese factor.

[Alexoferith]

Hi, there. I am 60 yrs old. Sekiro is one of the best games I have played since my first computer game back in 1988. What you are doing is that you are telling yourself that you cannot do it. Hey, I was like that but then for a different reason. My heart rate went up so much when I first played this game, I thought I literally was going to die... of an heart attack. When I faced Orge the first time, f*** me. Oh yea, I died. But my hand was shaking so much.
To cut a long story short, I said to myself. I got to learn how to parry. And I, oh, I cannot remember now, on my 12th or 14th playthrough, I played the game without Kuro's charm and with the Demon bell rung. Basically, under these two conditions, you lose health if you block. You lose health if you mistime your parry. I did it, finished the game with those two conditions. But I had to admit, I still couldn't parry all Sword Saint's move during the final fight. I beat him by running around and stepped in for just one hit after he did his jump attack. Took long time but yeah, beat him. If I can "survive" and finish the game, and I am 60 yrs old, for a 33 young one like yourself, you can do it as well. Keep parrying. Have fun. Great game this is.

[The Big Fish]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

LOL, I never said that, but OK chief.

I said you are blind because you dont want to see what is in front of you, that you dont need to memoryze a thing and can just use dodge and attack [/quote]

Nope, dodge doesn't work like 75% of the time. You hit dodge perfectly, and they just hit you. So wrong.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by The Ol' Razzle:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

LOL, I never said that, but OK chief.

I said you are blind because you dont want to see what is in front of you, that you dont need to memoryze a thing and can just use dodge and attack

Nope, dodge doesn't work like 75% of the time. You hit dodge perfectly, and they just hit you. So wrong. [/quote]
It just is not as lenient as dodge at Dark Souls . . . comparing dodge at Sekiro is like comparing parry at Dark Souls.

Parry is super lenient at Sekiro while dodge is much more lenient at Dark Souls.
You arre thinking it is exactly the same dodge window, when it is not.

Tbh, Sekiro (for not having stamina bar) have a hacck&slash feel to me and I go full aggression on enemies almost without any care and I just keep up the pressure, dodge into, attack, when swords clash I deflect a bit and that iss about it, I dont even pay proper attention to wtf iss happening, I just see how the enemy is holding the weapon (or what enemy it is) and that is it.

I have not memoryzed anything neither know what are all the boss moves . . . and Genichiro I defeat him by splattering him through the walls, poor guy cant even move away from me and I am there again, crushing him on the walls.

I also am not perfect (no the "no damage type of guy . . . even because I am not paying so much attention neither "playing as intended") but still it was possible for me to finish it, it is possible for anyone to finish (also, as shown at the videos, it clearly is possible to beat the game without 1 single mikiri neither 1 single deflect, just dodging with dodge or jump and attack).

[Don Lobo]

OP

1) I have over 300 hours in this game and I don't know any attack by memory.

2) We never talked about memorizing attacks but about pattern recognition, literally one of the most basic human abilities.

3) You have no argumentative basis to say the game can only be played one way, you haven't even finished it to know whether that's true or not, and just looking for videos on YouTube you could find dozens of distinct viable approaches to any given enemy or boss, you're just not at that phase yet and are instead actively refusing to learn because of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mindset.

[717]

You need to memorize boss moves for the most part. I did beat few bosses on first try like genichiro(on roof) because i figured out how to play at this point. But some bosses really require learning. Its like going into the flow and it feels great.
Same with dark souls or bloodborne unless you are playing as tank and can block literally everything by holding a button or with armor absorbtion.

[The Big Fish]

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

2) We never talked about memorizing attacks but about pattern recognition, literally one of the most basic human abilities.

Wrong. "We" talked about memorising things:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

You have to memoryze their stances, not their attack patterns

Originally posted by slood:

You need to memorize boss moves for the most part.

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Originally posted by Don Lobo:

You have no argumentative basis to say the game can only be played one way

It's literally Dark Souls except you can't play with a shield, magic, different weapons, archery, pyromancy or just rolling. So... just Dark Souls except you can only play one way.

[Gethsiffith]

This game is best played by parrying and attacking back and forth like a dance. dodge is best used for escaping grabs. don't play this game like dark souls... it's not dark souls its sekiro.

[The Big Fish]

Originally posted by Gethsiffith:

This game is best played by parrying and attacking back and forth like a dance. dodge is best used for escaping grabs. don't play this game like dark souls... it's not dark souls its sekiro.

Already played Dark Souls. It's much better.

[Gethsiffith]

Ok cool. Just trying to help in case you want to tackle sekiro again!