Spire of Light BS?

[Augoeides]

So, I'm fighting my way through the Spire of Light in Hollowed Marshes, mostly because I'm assuming that there's some sort of way to get through it, as I know there's way to Enmerkar Forest behind it, but you can't walk around the damn building. There's a passage near the entrance, that looks like it goes behind the place, but it's blocked by a magical wall of ice.

So, I fought my way to the top of the spire, hoping to find a way to negate the ice wall, only to encounter a Lich, who like the monsters in the dungeon, uses lightning. The first time I fought him, he got me with his lightning while I was testing spells on him, so the second time I decided to use on my very rare precious elemental immunity potions against him... he took almost no damage from attacks, and he killed me with lightning.

Let me say that again: HE KILLED ME WITH LIGHTNING, WHILE I WAS IMMUNE TO LIGHTNING. How the hell is that fair? He also broke all of my equipment, even though I was immune to his attacks.

Is there any point to even killing him, because I've wasted over an hour on this. He barely takes damage from my Tsar Mace, he's basically immune to magic, and the hit boxes on his lightning are HUGE.

I just wanted to get to Enmerkar Forest from Hollowed Marsh, without having to walk through a long detour through Chersonese Valley. I wish this game would let up with its BS sometimes.

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by TimidObserver:

I think he's worth beating. IMO, it's going overboard to equip all 3 of his items, but equipping just one of them provides a nice amount of mana cost reduction.

I'm using the black wizard hat, which gives me +10 fire damage, +5% movement, and -20% mana reduction, so the helm in my opinion isn't worth it for that -10% mana reduction. Mana usually isn't a problem for me, 5 mana potions let me get away with a lot of shenanigans for at least a couple hours, if I even use them at all, and making more is easy, I have dozens in my Stash. Usually, you can just burn someone's spirit to get back your mana anyway, since bandits are common enough.

The robes also don't give me a damage bonus, and the boots are the same I'm using right now, but with lower defense and better resistance to lightning. So he doesn't feel worth it, to me. I'll still beat him at some point, just for the sake of saying that I did it, but he isn't fun to fight, and would rather spend my time enjoying parts of the game that weren't complete BS, than waste hours trying to beat one guy.

Originally posted by Szass Tam:

Originally posted by Augoeides:

Stacking mana reduction doesn't mean crap. Even if you could get -100% mana cost, that doesn't stop you from getting killed in 3 hits while your casting your spells. I just fought one monster, that while I was casting a spell at it, it suddenly charged me out of nowhere and stunlocked me into 3 hits that automatically killed me, even though I had my armor spell on and was at full health. It's crap like this that prevents the game from being fun.

I understand that the enemies have to be strong, but why the hell do they have to kill you with NO effort? At least give us a way to increase our health, beyond the dumb +25 HP at the beginning which most of us ditch for mana.

He was referencing a lengthy thread where people are arguing that you shouldn't be allowed to have -100% mana cost (which you can totally do). The advantage to doing so is that if you were aware of that at the beginning of the game, you play the game as melee/bow until you get the right gear, then take only Mana Channeling 1 (-5 Health/Stamina) since the amount of mana you have becomes irrelevant. A bunch of people are salty that they weren't aware of this (none of us were at the time) and that their builds are obsolete compared to someone that was aware of this.

Ah, I get that. But +20 HP doesn't really help you much, and even with -100% mana cost, your defense is going to be garbage, and your offense is going to be limited. I imagine to get -100% you have to use a staff all the time, which means Runic Magic wouldn't be helpful, unless you took the hands free Lexicon Skill, which I don't recommend. I suppose with infinite mana, you wouldn't have to worry about balancing your sleep and using potions to restore your various maximums all the time, but whatever.

[Jonatom]

Originally posted by 󠀡:

careful when you stack up too many mana cost reduction gear you will upset some people who will cry for a nerf because they built their chars a certain way.

Oh this has already happened in another post.. where the author has went pretty in depth about how "they think" the magic mechanic "should" work vice how it does work with this armor set in the game and how it essentially "breaks" the game in their opinion... it has over idk 200 posts, i linked my screen shots of me wearing the set already lol but people will be critical of things when they feel their achievements are undermined by something else, when they "sacrificed" to achieve it... imho let people play the game how they want the gain from the set is balanced by what a player loses in other ways (if you look at it from a total game play view, not just from one narrow focused lens.).

[Lumidama]

I wore a full set of entomber armor from levant. It has poison and lightning resist. Tons of it. Drank a blessing potion which gives me more lightning resist. A stoneskin potion for more impact and then cast the blessing boon from the city of monsoon(i think thats where i got it) which again increases my resist. I also ate some physical attack boost food cause i found some in some boxes.

I took. Basicly no damage, i stood in most of his attacks and drank 2 health potions. It was the easiest fight i have had the entire game.

Edit:i forgot i also had my backpack on the entire time, the armored backpack that gives 2 protection when its on you but only has 60 weight. Not sure how much that helped because it was just 2 protection. I dont even have many melee skills besides shield bash from cierzo and i didnt use it.

[AsianGirlLover]

Easy way to beat this boss:

1. Decay potion on your bleed dmg bow
2. Run, dodge, shoot, repeat
3. ???
4. Profit

Don’t bother trying to melee him or use magic

[FireShark]

Sounds like I'll be killing him with my Cannon Pistol and Ornate Flintlock.

Btw, does anyone know stats of Obsidian Pistol and where I can get obsidian?

[Szass Tam]

Originally posted by Imma Souls Player:

Sounds like I'll be killing him with my Cannon Pistol and Ornate Flintlock.

Btw, does anyone know stats of Obsidian Pistol and where I can get obsidian?

Obsidian is dropped off the fire horse looking mobs, you can find them in the desert. It deals 39 Physical, 39 Fire, and has 60 Impact.

[FireShark]

Originally posted by Szass Tam:

Originally posted by Imma Souls Player:

Sounds like I'll be killing him with my Cannon Pistol and Ornate Flintlock.

Btw, does anyone know stats of Obsidian Pistol and where I can get obsidian?

Obsidian is dropped off the fire horse looking mobs, you can find them in the desert. It deals 39 Physical, 39 Fire, and has 60 Impact.

Thank you :D

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Easy way to beat this boss:

1. Decay potion on your bleed dmg bow
2. Run, dodge, shoot, repeat
3. ???
4. Profit

Don’t bother trying to melee him or use magic

I wasn't aware you could enchant your bows? I thought that only worked with melee weapons, but maybe I'm only thinking of the elemental rags? I never really paid much attention to the elemental potions, I thought they were just stronger versions of the rags, but I guess they affect bows too?

I'll have to give that a try. I always carry a bow on me, because it saves me mana stones, and you can do some fancy stuff with arrows. Like, in that same dungeon, if you walk up the steps (without teleporting) to the lever that enables the first teleport, if you look across the room, you can shoot the fire mantis there without it retaliating, and sometimes the Jade Kitsune things get stuck on stairs.

I'm Berg right now, with plans to eventually visit Levant for the first time, so maybe after that, during the return trip to Monsoon, I'll give the decay bow and the lightning resist armor suggested by the other guy a try.

[Hoposai]

Just so you know, there are 2 ziggurat with poison water in between near the forest entrance. If you are the northern ziggurat side there’s just a locked gate. If you put on ash armor or anything with a bunch of corruption resistance you can easily just run through the rancid water to the forest side with little damage. If you enter the ziggurat on the forest entry side, you can find a statue to place on the altar which drains the poison water inside and opens the gate on the other end. THIS is the way to travel safety back and forth to the forest gate. Underground from one ziggurat to the other, NOT the Spire of Light!

[Ormalash]

Once I got 100 resist to lightning the Lich became easy ... I killed him with fireball with the entomber set (lightning and decay resist) from abrassar and a shield to block his lightning ball to avoid getting knockdown from time to time

[gillotte]

I suggest getting the Worldedge great axe then go kill him. It'll be much easier than using a tsar weapon. Worldedge is a 13 physical dam, 40 decay dam, 1.1 speed and 48 impact weapon. Only a few things like undead/machines have resistance to decay as far as I remember? I beat him I think in a full master traders gear. First time I died but I got him the second time.

[Lapinoire]

I just shot him with Piercing Arrow using a Horror Bow, and Scatter Bullet on Obsidian Pistols.

Fight was pretty easy after that.

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by Hoposai:

Just so you know, there are 2 ziggurat with poison water in between near the forest entrance. If you are the northern ziggurat side there’s just a locked gate. If you put on ash armor or anything with a bunch of corruption resistance you can easily just run through the rancid water to the forest side with little damage. If you enter the ziggurat on the forest entry side, you can find a statue to place on the altar which drains the poison water inside and opens the gate on the other end. THIS is the way to travel safety back and forth to the forest gate. Underground from one ziggurat to the other, NOT the Spire of Light!

I'm already aware of that, but you can get to the part of the ziggarut that drains the water from exiting the spire of light relatively easy, and once you've deactivated all the barriers from inside the spire, going through it is simple: just 2 rooms with no enemies. The ziggarut might be faster if your coming from Monsoon, but the part with the water has enemies, so it's not exactly safe.

Originally posted by Ormalash:

Once I got 100 resist to lightning the Lich became easy ... I killed him with fireball with the entomber set (lightning and decay resist) from abrassar and a shield to block his lightning ball to avoid getting knockdown from time to time

I just got lightning resist and shot him with the Horrow Bow like 20 times.

Originally posted by gillotte:

I suggest getting the Worldedge great axe then go kill him. It'll be much easier than using a tsar weapon. Worldedge is a 13 physical dam, 40 decay dam, 1.1 speed and 48 impact weapon. Only a few things like undead/machines have resistance to decay as far as I remember? I beat him I think in a full master traders gear. First time I died but I got him the second time.

I made a melee-oriented guy recently, and I think that's his main weapon, but in general, I've found bows to be the best option against the Gold Lich. Just strafe and shoot, then drink a potion when he releases his huge barrage of lightning.

[twpe]

Originally posted by Augoeides:

Originally posted by Hoposai:

Just so you know, there are 2 ziggurat with poison water in between near the forest entrance. If you are the northern ziggurat side there’s just a locked gate. If you put on ash armor or anything with a bunch of corruption resistance you can easily just run through the rancid water to the forest side with little damage. If you enter the ziggurat on the forest entry side, you can find a statue to place on the altar which drains the poison water inside and opens the gate on the other end. THIS is the way to travel safety back and forth to the forest gate. Underground from one ziggurat to the other, NOT the Spire of Light!

I'm already aware of that, but you can get to the part of the ziggarut that drains the water from exiting the spire of light relatively easy, and once you've deactivated all the barriers from inside the spire, going through it is simple: just 2 rooms with no enemies. The ziggarut might be faster if your coming from Monsoon, but the part with the water has enemies, so it's not exactly safe.

I have no idea why they necro'd this topic to tell you that... However, since you responded to them, I feel compelled to tell you that as soon as you put the Jade-Lich Statue onto the pedestal, a bridge is raise outside that crosses the poison marsh safely (this is on top of purifying the poisoned water inside the tunnel). This means you do not need to go into either the Abandoned Ziggurat or Spire of Light to safely move between Monsoon and the forest anymore.

Of course, you never really needed to in the first place if you were willing to take some damage. You could just slide down into the swamp and run around the hill (around the abandoned Ziggurat's south entrance) clinging to the edge to avoid too much poison damage. There is a way up on the other side right by the forest entrance.

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by twpe:

Originally posted by Augoeides:

I'm already aware of that, but you can get to the part of the ziggarut that drains the water from exiting the spire of light relatively easy, and once you've deactivated all the barriers from inside the spire, going through it is simple: just 2 rooms with no enemies. The ziggarut might be faster if your coming from Monsoon, but the part with the water has enemies, so it's not exactly safe.

I have no idea why they necro'd this topic to tell you that... However, since you responded to them, I feel compelled to tell you that as soon as you put the Jade-Lich Statue onto the pedestal, a bridge is raise outside that crosses the poison marsh safely (this is on top of purifying the poisoned water inside the tunnel). This means you do not need to go into either the Abandoned Ziggurat or Spire of Light to safely move between Monsoon and the forest anymore.

Of course, you never really needed to in the first place if you were willing to take some damage. You could just slide down into the swamp and run around the hill (around the abandoned Ziggurat's south entrance) clinging to the edge to avoid too much poison damage. There is a way up on the other side right by the forest entrance.

I'm way past all of this stuff, but it's always nice to see new options for other playthroughs.