Isn't Earth technically still screwed even if we stop the hell invasion?

[Quadsword]

Look at the moon in the intro cinematic, and again in the ending cinematic. It's completely destroyed. Earth's ecosystems are totally FUBAR. What the hell destroyed the moon, anyway?

(As a side note, does anyone else find it funny that Australia is one of the only places on Earth that hasn't been invaded by demons? Seriously, the wildlife in Australia is so deadly not even hell wants to go near it)

[Sabaithal]

It was kind of screwed before this whole 'hell' BS even began, though it was an energy crisis.

If you're talking about all the 'hell terrain' generated on the surface of the planet, well judging from the cinematics most of that seems to have reverted or just erased entirely on the surface of the planet.

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Second invasion, Yeah tying this into doom 1 and 2 is a contuiunity nightmare, i would have dropped the connection to 1 and 2 and made it a straight sequel to doom 3, less baggage and you wouldn't have two hell invasions happening within 100 years of each other

[Chard]

different timelines. It's the first hell invasion for THIS Earth. Maybe it's because I grew up with the Marvel Universe and comics like "What If" but multiple timelines don't really throw me for a loop. It's also mentioned in both these games that the slayer traverses time and space.

For me "the baggage" is worth it to step into the original marine's shoes again. Metal as $%@*

[PsychoDino]

Originally posted by Quadsword:

Look at the moon in the intro cinematic, and again in the ending cinematic. It's completely destroyed. Earth's ecosystems are totally FUBAR. What the hell destroyed the moon, anyway?

(As a side note, does anyone else find it funny that Australia is one of the only places on Earth that hasn't been invaded by demons? Seriously, the wildlife in Australia is so deadly not even hell wants to go near it)

yeah

[Stint Lint Flipliptip]

Fun fact: Australia has a problem with invasive rabbits. Probably why the demons didn't invade; they didn't want to incur the Slayer's wrath even more

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Originally posted by Chard:

different timelines. It's the first hell invasion for THIS Earth. Maybe it's because I grew up with the Marvel Universe and comics like "What If" but multiple timelines don't really throw me for a loop. It's also mentioned in both these games that the slayer traverses time and space.

For me "the baggage" is worth it to step into the original marine's shoes again. Metal as $%@*

That really is a cheap way of redoing doom 2, where is the stakes? If this earth falls there must be others

[León Salvaje]

The moon will reform

[Vathek1]

Originally posted by León Salvaje:

The moon will reform

I'm no astronomer, but I can't imagine how that would happen. And yes, the Earth in Doom Eternal's timeline is permanently screwed by the demonic invasion. I don't care for the "multiple universes/timelines" narrative either, as it does indeed feel like a "cheap way" to tie the games together, as Darkronous implied.

I'd be fine with if they all took place in the same timeline, but the dumb bastards on Earth didn't learn from their first hellish rodeo. This wouldn't be implausible, because look at our current world: most countries didn't learn squat from past pandemics like SARS and MERS. China certainly didn't learn the right lessons, since most of their efforts were focused on PR, not prevention, although that in no way excuses the appalling lack of preparation in countries like the U.S.

If demonic invasions were a thing in our world, we'd probably be getting bum-raped by them every century or so until the Doom Slayer gives up on our planet as utterly hopeless.

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Originally posted by Vathek1:

Originally posted by León Salvaje:

The moon will reform

I'm no astronomer, but I can't imagine how that would happen. And yes, the Earth in Doom Eternal's timeline is permanently screwed by the demonic invasion. I don't care for the "multiple universes/timelines" narrative either, as it does indeed feel like a "cheap way" to tie the games together, as Darkronous implied.

I'd be fine with if they all took place in the same timeline, but the dumb bastards on Earth didn't learn from their first hellish rodeo. This wouldn't be implausible, because look at our current world: most countries didn't learn squat from past pandemics like SARS and MERS. China certainly didn't learn the right lessons, since most of their efforts were focused on PR, not prevention, although that in no way excuses the appalling lack of preparation in countries like the U.S.

If demonic invasions were a thing in our world, we'd probably be getting bum-raped by them every century or so until the Doom Slayer gives up on our planet as utterly hopeless.

Not to mention if their is multiple earths then there is multiple versions of hell, there has to be if not where are the doom 3 demons in doom eternal? Where are the cherubs? The trites? The squidy mancubus? Or where are the bruisers? Doom eternal's story reeks of moments that make fans happy, but really is bad if you look at it as a whole with the other games

[Vathek1]

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Not to mention if their is multiple earths then there is multiple versions of hell, there has to be if not where are the doom 3 demons in doom eternal? Where are the cherubs? The trites? The squidy mancubus? Or where are the bruisers? Doom eternal's story reeks of moments that make fans happy, but really is bad if you look at it as a whole with the other games

Doom 3 was deliberately excluded since it was really just a retelling of The Ultimate Doom... although that Soul Cube in Dr. Pierce's office in Doom 2016 is an interesting nod to Doom 3.

Nevertheless, I definitely agree that the story in Doom Eternal is very bad compared to that of previous games. Doom was never a game you played for its story--didn't either John Romero or John Carmack remark that a story in a FPS is about as important as a story in a pr0n film? However, at least in the previous games, the story was coherent: you are a marine; there are demons in the base (and you've know they were there for many years), and they killed everyone. So you have to kill them in the base and go to their home realm to kill them some more. It's not KOTOR or Dragon Age: Origins-level storytelling, but it made sense and it worked.

I also liked the portrayal of the UAC as a greedy, irresponsible corporation rather than outright cultists, as that actually made the demonic invasion seem a lot worse. As pretty much every UAC employee except Dr. Hayden in Doom 2016 was a member of the cult, the demons don't actually seem as horrible and evil as they did in previous titles, when they were largely ripping and tearing through innocent, unsuspecting scientists and marines.

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Originally posted by ;4698886342122147243:

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Not to mention if their is multiple earths then there is multiple versions of hell, there has to be if not where are the doom 3 demons in doom eternal? Where are the cherubs? The trites? The squidy mancubus? Or where are the bruisers? Doom eternal's story reeks of moments that make fans happy, but really is bad if you look at it as a whole with the other games

Doom 3 was deliberately excluded since it was really just a retelling of The Ultimate Doom... although that Soul Cube in Dr. Pierce's office in Doom 2016 is an interesting nod to Doom 3.

Nevertheless, I definitely agree that the story in Doom Eternal is very bad compared to that of previous games. Doom was never a game you played for its story--didn't either John Romero or John Carmack remark that a story in a FPS is about as important as a story in a pr0n film? However, at least in the previous games, the story was coherent: you are a marine; there are demons in the base (and you've know they were there for many years), and they killed everyone. So you have to kill them in the base and go to their home realm to kill them some more. It's not KOTOR or Dragon Age: Origins-level storytelling, but it made sense and it worked.

I also liked the portrayal of the UAC as a greedy, irresponsible corporation rather than outright cultists, as that actually made the demonic invasion seem a lot worse. As pretty much every UAC employee except Dr. Hayden in Doom 2016 was a member of the cult, the demons don't actually seem as horrible and evil as they did in previous titles, when they were largely ripping and tearing through innocent, unsuspecting scientists and marines.

Slight problem with the whole doom 3 is a retelling of ultimate doom, doom 1 takes place in the year 2040, doom 3....takes places 2140 meaning it can't be a retelling, it has to be canon to it's own timeline and again doom 3 had more new demons in it..... where are they in this invasion

[Stint Lint Flipliptip]

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Originally posted by ;4698886342122147243:

Doom 3 was deliberately excluded since it was really just a retelling of The Ultimate Doom... although that Soul Cube in Dr. Pierce's office in Doom 2016 is an interesting nod to Doom 3.

Nevertheless, I definitely agree that the story in Doom Eternal is very bad compared to that of previous games. Doom was never a game you played for its story--didn't either John Romero or John Carmack remark that a story in a FPS is about as important as a story in a pr0n film? However, at least in the previous games, the story was coherent: you are a marine; there are demons in the base (and you've know they were there for many years), and they killed everyone. So you have to kill them in the base and go to their home realm to kill them some more. It's not KOTOR or Dragon Age: Origins-level storytelling, but it made sense and it worked.

I also liked the portrayal of the UAC as a greedy, irresponsible corporation rather than outright cultists, as that actually made the demonic invasion seem a lot worse. As pretty much every UAC employee except Dr. Hayden in Doom 2016 was a member of the cult, the demons don't actually seem as horrible and evil as they did in previous titles, when they were largely ripping and tearing through innocent, unsuspecting scientists and marines.

Slight problem with the whole doom 3 is a retelling of ultimate doom, doom 1 takes place in the year 2040, doom 3....takes places 2140 meaning it can't be a retelling, it has to be canon to it's own timeline and again doom 3 had more new demons in it..... where are they in this invasion

Again, Doom 3 was supposed to be a reboot

[cecilnezuto]

Just to clear everything up a little. The lore behind how all the games are connected is that the Doomguy in Doom 1 and 2 is the same one in Doom 64. After the events of Doom 2, Doomguy was sent back to Phobos to kill the Mother Demon after the UAC failed to nuke the place with radiation. After Doomguy killed the Mother Demon, he decided to stay in Hell to prevent another invasion. During his time in Hell he encountered the Sister Resurrector.

Right as Doomguy killed the Sister Resurrector, she was able to send Doomguy to Sentinel Prime via a teleport to a different dimension (one of the Resurrector’s abilities). Presumably that's when the Night Sentinel’s found him, Doomguy joined their ranks, met with the Seraphim, and became the Doom Slayer after meeting him. Then the crusades through Hell happened ending in Argent D’Nur and the demons of Hell (along with the aid of the Hell Priests) trapped him in the sarcophagus that Samuel Hayden found him in Kadinger Sanctum. The Mars, Earth, and Phobos in Doom 2016/Eternal are the same places as Doomguy’s original dimension but it’s not the same.

Everything that happens in 2016/Eternal is in a way the same events as Doom 1 and 2, it’s just in a different dimension now rather than the original dimension in Doom 1 and 2. It may be a 'cheap explanation' for some, but these are pretty much the events as they stand. Also, Hell is its entirely own dimension. It crosses/extends into all other dimensions. They actually explain that one in the files, in game....

[The Happy Friar]

back to the moon... second game series by id with a smashed up moon. Could this be the same earth as in RAGE & this happened between when the astroid hit earth & RAGE 1? :)

[Sabaithal]

Question: How exactly do we know its a different dimension? It could be the same one for all we know. There's no reason why there wouldn't be a second demonic invasion of earth, if the proper variables enacted it (olivia pierce).

Now, if it is the same one, that means time travel definitely did happen. Because...well the events of the night sentinels betrayal happened at least a thousand years ago, and the year on earth currently is something like 2150, I don't remember the exact number. So unless earth got to modern tech waaaaay sooner than the real world, time travel would be the only explanation in that case.