What Doom Guy lost?.... (spoilers)

[Da Nut Crackah]

So, on Sentinel Prime as you make your way to the Gladiator, the Khan Makyr appears, and offers to return to him what the demons took from him if he will turn back. Now, I'm no Doom lore buff by any means, but from what I understand, he was just a marine who got caught up in it all, kinda snapped and is obsessed with killing demons.... what exactly could the Khan Makyr give back to him? His sanity lol?

[Suomipoika11]

Pretty much everyone agrees that it's Daisy, so.... no demon bunnies in this game, tough.

[Titan]

Цитата допису Grampire:

I'm sure we'll probably find out in DLC, but it does seem similar to the sort of offer the Betrayer made with Hell regarding his son.

Had no idea he had a family either, and I seriously doubt someone would go this John Wick over a rabbit.

"doubt"

I mean, it's an indisputable fact. Eternal makes Doom 1, 2 and 64 a canon part of the "new doom" timeline. And the events of Doom 2 was the Doomguy going on a rampage cuz the demons killed Daisy.

It's stupid, yes. But it's canon. And it's great.

[Grampire]

Цитата допису Titan:

Цитата допису Grampire:

I'm sure we'll probably find out in DLC, but it does seem similar to the sort of offer the Betrayer made with Hell regarding his son.

Had no idea he had a family either, and I seriously doubt someone would go this John Wick over a rabbit.

"doubt"

I mean, it's an indisputable fact. Eternal makes Doom 1, 2 and 64 a canon part of the "new doom" timeline. And the events of Doom 2 was the Doomguy going on a rampage cuz the demons killed Daisy.

It's stupid, yes. But it's canon. And it's great.

From what I've read it's not even certain that Daisy is dead in the Eternal timeline.

I think the whole Daisy thing is just a theory/Easter egg. It's funny and would be awesome if true, but I guess we'll see.

[Titan]

Цитата допису Grampire:

Цитата допису Titan:

"doubt"

I mean, it's an indisputable fact. Eternal makes Doom 1, 2 and 64 a canon part of the "new doom" timeline. And the events of Doom 2 was the Doomguy going on a rampage cuz the demons killed Daisy.

It's stupid, yes. But it's canon. And it's great.

From what I've read it's not even certain that Daisy is dead in the Eternal timeline.

I think the whole Daisy thing is just a theory/Easter egg. It's funny and would be awesome if true, but I guess we'll see.

Eternal outright confirms that the slayer and the original Doomguy are the same person. Therefor Daisy is dead. And the death of Daisy is, at the very least, partially responsible for the Slayer's eternal crusade against hell. That -is- certain.

[RevolverBigBosselote]

Цитата допису Titan:

Цитата допису Grampire:

I'm sure we'll probably find out in DLC, but it does seem similar to the sort of offer the Betrayer made with Hell regarding his son.

Had no idea he had a family either, and I seriously doubt someone would go this John Wick over a rabbit.

"doubt"

I mean, it's an indisputable fact. Eternal makes Doom 1, 2 and 64 a canon part of the "new doom" timeline. And the events of Doom 2 was the Doomguy going on a rampage cuz the demons killed Daisy.

It's stupid, yes. But it's canon. And it's great.

That doesn't really make sense to think daisy is the only reason he's killing demons in DOOM 2. Sure its one of his motivations but I think saving humanity from being consumed by demons is also a pretty good motivation. In fact at one point in the game he successfully helps some of the earth survivors to escape the earth, thus ensuring humanities survival. At that point he straight up gives up to let the demons kill him because his job is done, he only keeps fighting because someone tells him he can force the demons off of earth by killing the icon of sin. So he's definitely motivated more by saving the earth rather than killing all demons to avenge daisy.

Though by the time of 2016 he's lost a lot more. He lost the war against the demons when he was working with the sentinels, was betrayed by both the Khan Maykr and his fellow sentinels, and was imprisoned by the demons for who knows how long after rampaging through hell. There's also a theory that the original dimension that the classic doom games took place in were destroyed by demons, but we don't know exactly he got from the classic doom dimension to the dimension of the night sentinels in the first place so its hard to know.

[Gigan The Gojira]

Цитата допису Grampire:

I'm sure we'll probably find out in DLC, but it does seem similar to the sort of offer the Betrayer made with Hell regarding his son.

Had no idea he had a family either, and I seriously doubt someone would go this John Wick over a rabbit.

The fact that the term going John Wick exists is good enough for it too be a possibility, I mean if a trained assassin who wants to stop killing goes on a rampage over a dog, what's stopping an anger fuelled super soldier slaughtering every demon over a rabbit?

[UNBREAKABLE]

My headcanon right now is the rabbit belonged to his kid, his kid and wife died, and the rabbit was all he had left of his family until the demons killed it. That's how you can explain the rabbit and the family picture at the same time.

Daisy is also the name of John Wick's first dog who was killed, funny enough.

[Sabaithal]

You underestimate how attached a man can get to his pet. I lost my cat once, he just went outside one day and never came back.

I haven't gotten another cat. Because no one will replace. He wasn't just a pet to me, he was someone I knew for half my life, and since he was a kitten. There will be no cat like him in this world.

So I can see where some of that rage and hate might be coming from.

[Grampire]

My biggest problem with the Daisy thing is that she didnt die until the end of Doom 2, when his rampage was already underway.

I think it's the same Doomguy, but I think the Earth he came from was destroyed by the demons.

I think "what he lost" is Earth and his entire dimension. And the reason he rejects the Khan Maykr's offer is because he knows she cant actually give that back and he's not as interested in getting it back as his is in destroying hell and preventing it from happening again anywhere else.

[Titan]

Цитата допису Grampire:

My biggest problem with the Daisy thing is that she didnt die until the end of Doom 2, when his rampage was already underway.

I think it's the same Doomguy, but I think the Earth he came from was destroyed by the demons.

I think "what he lost" is Earth and his entire dimension. And the reason he rejects the Khan Maykr's offer is because he knows she cant actually give that back and he's not as interested in getting it back as his is in destroying hell and preventing it from happening again anywhere else.

Daisy died before the events of Doom 2. She's shown dead at the end of the Ultimate Doom.

[Grampire]

Цитата допису Titan:

Цитата допису Grampire:

My biggest problem with the Daisy thing is that she didnt die until the end of Doom 2, when his rampage was already underway.

I think it's the same Doomguy, but I think the Earth he came from was destroyed by the demons.

I think "what he lost" is Earth and his entire dimension. And the reason he rejects the Khan Maykr's offer is because he knows she cant actually give that back and he's not as interested in getting it back as his is in destroying hell and preventing it from happening again anywhere else.

Daisy died before the events of Doom 2. She's shown dead at the end of the Ultimate Doom.

Still 3 episodes without mention of Daisy.

Think Daisy is kind of a funny Easter egg thing in Eternal. Plus, she appears alive as an Easter Egg in every level.

[RevolverBigBosselote]

Цитата допису Titan:

Цитата допису Grampire:

My biggest problem with the Daisy thing is that she didnt die until the end of Doom 2, when his rampage was already underway.

I think it's the same Doomguy, but I think the Earth he came from was destroyed by the demons.

I think "what he lost" is Earth and his entire dimension. And the reason he rejects the Khan Maykr's offer is because he knows she cant actually give that back and he's not as interested in getting it back as his is in destroying hell and preventing it from happening again anywhere else.

Daisy died before the events of Doom 2. She's shown dead at the end of the Ultimate Doom.

Yeah but she only died when the demons invaded earth, which happened at the end of Doom 1.

[Titan]

Цитата допису RevolverBigBosselote:

Цитата допису Titan:

Daisy died before the events of Doom 2. She's shown dead at the end of the Ultimate Doom.

Yeah but she only died when the demons invaded earth, which happened at the end of Doom 1.

That is exactly what I said.

[Commander Hitman2b]

Цитата допису Capital NYOOM:

If I'm not mistaken, during the events of Doom and/or Doom 2, Doomguy loses his pet rabbit to demons. I believe that's what the Khan refers to.

the khan don't know the marine had a pet ( tho as a easter eggs we see daisy ( slayer pet) on a lot of levels

and all the slayer want actually is RIP AND TEARS UNTIL IT'S DONE bring back is familly won't change is mind

[Chard]

Цитата допису Grampire:

My biggest problem with the Daisy thing is that she didnt die until the end of Doom 2, when his rampage was already underway.

I think it's the same Doomguy, but I think the Earth he came from was destroyed by the demons.

I think "what he lost" is Earth and his entire dimension. And the reason he rejects the Khan Maykr's offer is because he knows she cant actually give that back and he's not as interested in getting it back as his is in destroying hell and preventing it from happening again anywhere else.

To be fair, in Doom 1 the only motivation Doomguy needed was "survival". He was stranded alone on a martian moon base infested with demons, and millions of miles away from anything resembling backup. "Rampage" was really his only viable option.