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If the Doom slayer is supposed to be the same Character from Doom 1&2 why does the UAC not remember him? Additionally why does the UAC still exist?
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Jim Lahey Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:25pm 
He's not the same character. The backstories dont match up. One being a sentinel the other a marine.
Reanimator Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:28pm 
There's a theory that the Doom Guy we know is from an alternate reality in which Earth was destroyed by the Demons.

So if that's the case Doom 1 happens, Doom 2 happens and Doom Guy fails to save earth/
Last edited by Reanimator; Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:29pm
Morton Koopa Jr. Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:31pm 
Originally posted by Jim Lahey:
He's not the same character. The backstories dont match up. One being a sentinel the other a marine.

He only became a sentinel after finding himself on sentinel prime...
unendingEmpathy Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:32pm 
He is the same Doomguy from 1, 2 and 64. If I remember correctly, in 64, Doomguy stayed in Hell to make sure the demons don't do any more of this nonsense, which eventually lead him to getting discovered by the Night Sentinels, which eventually lead him to going from Doomguy to the Doom Slayer. I believe its shown off later in the game.
Originally posted by Jim Lahey:
He's not the same character. The backstories dont match up. One being a sentinel the other a marine.

Is the same character. They said you arrived in that classic doom armor and through training you became a sentinel.

The game basically states hell is anchored in place yet other realms exist. It was even stated when Khan was trying to offer how you came from some where else.
Vathek1 Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:37pm 
Originally posted by BabySealClubber:
If the Doom slayer is supposed to be the same Character from Doom 1&2 why does the UAC not remember him? Additionally why does the UAC still exist?
Why the UAC still exists puzzles me even more. Given how badly they screwed things up in Doom 1 and 2, you'd think that no company on Earth would ever want to operate under that name again, heh.

It also puzzles me how they were able to fix up the planet so well since Doom II... especially since the demon invasion in that game was so bad they had to evacuate all of the surviving populace offworld. It would take at least several centuries, if not close to 1000 years for them to get everything back to normal on Earth.

It's also quite odd that since this isn't Earth's first rodeo with the demons, no one seems to remember how to fight them, or have learned from the first time. The only explanation I can think of is that Doom Eternal has to take place a very long time after Doom I and II.

Or perhaps it's better not to think about these glaring plot holes too much, and just focus on ripping and tearing, since that works just fine for the Doom Slayer.
Falleax Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:40pm 
I was always under the impression that the Mars he ends up on in 2016 exists in a parallel version of his own original universe. He's either too insane to realize this or doesn't care and adopts this alternate universe as his own. That's the only way it makes sense to me, his original universe is safe but this alternate one needs him. It's weird and vague.
Originally posted by Vathek1:
Originally posted by BabySealClubber:
If the Doom slayer is supposed to be the same Character from Doom 1&2 why does the UAC not remember him? Additionally why does the UAC still exist?
Why the UAC still exists puzzles me even more. Given how badly they screwed things up in Doom 1 and 2, you'd think that no company on Earth would ever want to operate under that name again, heh.

It also puzzles me how they were able to fix up the planet so well since Doom II... especially since the demon invasion in that game was so bad they had to evacuate all of the surviving populace offworld. It would take at least several centuries, if not close to 1000 years for them to get everything back to normal on Earth.

It's also quite odd that since this isn't Earth's first rodeo with the demons, no one seems to remember how to fight them, or have learned from the first time. The only explanation I can think of is that Doom Eternal has to take place a very long time after Doom I and II.

Or perhaps it's better not to think about these glaring plot holes too much, and just focus on ripping and tearing, since that works just fine for the Doom Slayer.

Different timeline/realm.

Doomguy is same from Doom1 2 and 64 and hell is attached to all of them apparently since its 'anchored' in place and the current world you are on isnt the same realm/timeline.

Codexes cover it along with the Khan telling you how she can send you back to YOUR people and how these arent his people to save.
Last edited by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★; Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:46pm
He crossed "time and dimensions." They leave sufficient room for us to use our imaginations. But what we know for certain is:


He's human. He didn't originate from the Argenta. He had the Doomguy from Doom 64's helmet when he was found. He says "huge guts, rip and tear," a reference to that old special Doom comic book. So while never explicitly stated, it's incredibly strongly implied he is indeed the original Doomguy. He refused to die and was trained to become a sentinel. He ended up being more adept in combat than all of them, so he was blessed by the Seraphim - which is in turn strongly implied, though again never explicitly stated, to also be Samuel Hayden - with far greater power and speed via the divinity machine. He then spent who knows how long fighting the demons alongside the sentinels before their betrayal. He continued to fight on until he was finally captured and confined in the sarcophagus we see him emerge from in 2016, which was by that point dated to be thousands of years old.

So the real issue with the timeline is, whether he's immortal or was just in stasis all that time, millennia have still passed. So why do Earth and UAC still exist, as you said? The only explanations imo are: time travel, a multiverse (e.g. it's a different Earth and Mars, which could also allow Doom 3 to exist if we're dealing with multiple worldlines... and would help explain the soul cube, if he "crossed time and dimensions,") time passing very differently in the Argentum and Hell dimensions, and/or Earth's timeline was drastically reset after the events of the classic Doom games due to the widespread devastation.

Either way, we are given enough leeway to come to our own conclusions imo, and left ample room for head canon. Nevertheless, it does appear that he is, canonically, Doomguy.
Last edited by Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser; Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:51pm
drager55891 Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:53pm 
Not the same character. Doom 1 is on a moon so it could be some universe.

If you stretch it then many of the Doom properties can be in one universe.
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Vathek1 Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:55pm 
I'll need to read those codices again, then. I assumed that the Khan meant the current population of Earth when she said "your people." But the parallel universes/realms thing seems like the only way it would make sense.

On a completely unrelated note, I just imagined a rather awkward exchange between the Doom Slayer and the Khan, if the Slayer had a personality more like some contemporary people.

Khan: "...Send you back to your people..."
Slayer: "Excuse me? Your people?"
Khan: "I didn't mean it like that. You know, your people. Morta....humans."
Slayer: "Yep, you were just about to use the "M" word, weren't you. You have a problem with humans? You think we all look the same, don't you, you specist?"
Khan: "I'm not a specist! I have lots of human friends!"
Slayer: [Racks shotgun with malicious intent]
Vathek1 Mar 26, 2020 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by drager55891:
Not the same character. Doom 1 is on the moon so it could be some universe.

If you stretch it then many of the Doom properties can be in one universe.
Doom 1 doesn't take place on Luna. It takes place on the moons of Mars (Phobos and Deimos), as well as in hell.
Originally posted by drager55891:
Not the same character. Doom 1 is on the moon so it could be some universe.

If you stretch it then many of the Doom properties can be in one universe.

I mean it is the same character.... the cutscenes even confirm that.

The codexes dive deeper into it too. The slayer arrived in classic doomguy armor and constantly muttered about fighting demons.

then we find out that different realms and timelines exist..... because 'reasons'

also where did you get that doom 1 takes place on the moon?

Doom 1's lore written inside the manual for Doom 1
The Story So Far
In DOOM, you're a space marine, one of Earth's toughest, hardened in combat and trained for action. Three years ago you assaulted a superior officer for ordering his soldiers to fire upon civilians. He and his body cast were shipped to Pearl Harbor, while you were transferred to Mars, home of the Union Aerospace Corporation. The UAC is a multi-planetary conglomerate with radioactive waste facilities on Mars and its two moons, Phobos and Deimos. With no action for fifty million miles, your day consisted of suckin' dust and watchin' restricted flicks in the rec room.

For the last four years the military, UAC's biggest supplier, has used the remote facilities on Phobos and Deimos to conduct various secret projects, including research on inter-dimensional space travel. So far they have been able to open gateways between Phobos and Deimos, throwing a few gadgets into one and watching them come out the other. Recently however, the gateways have grown dangerously unstable. Military "volunteers" entering them have either disappeared or been stricken with a strange form of insanity--babbling vulgarities, bludgeoning anything that breathes, and finally suffering an untimely death of full-body explosion. Matching heads with torsos to send home to the folks became a full-time job. Latest military reports state that the research is suffering a small setback, but everything is under control.

A few hours ago, Mars received a garbled message from Phobos. "We require immediate military support. Something fraggin' evil is coming out of the gateways! Computer systems have gone berserk!" The rest was incoherent. Soon afterwards, Deimos simply vanished from the sky. Since then, attempts to establish contact with either moon have been unsuccessful.

You and your buddies, the only combat troop for fifty million miles were sent up pronto to Phobos. You were ordered to secure the perimeter of the base while the rest of the team went inside. For several hours, your radio picked up the sounds of combat: guns firing, men yelling orders, screams, bones cracking, then finally silence. Seems your buddies are dead.

Things aren't looking too good. You'll never navigate off the planet on your own. Plus, all the heavy weapons have been taken by the assault team leaving you only with a pistol. If only you could get your hands around a plasma rifle or even a shotgun you could take a few down on your way out. Whatever killed your buddies deserves a couple of pellets in the forehead. Securing your helmet, you exit the landing pod. Hopefully you can find more substantial firepower somewhere within the station.

As you walk through the main entrance of the base, you hear animal-like growls echoing throughout the distant corridors. They know you're here. There's no turning back now.
Last edited by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★; Mar 26, 2020 @ 7:00pm
SalmonSnake Mar 26, 2020 @ 7:02pm 
Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:
Originally posted by drager55891:
Not the same character. Doom 1 is on the moon so it could be some universe.

If you stretch it then many of the Doom properties can be in one universe.

I mean it is the same character.... the cutscenes even confirm that.

The codexes dive deeper into it too. The slayer arrived in classic doomguy armor and constantly muttered about fighting demons.

then we find out that different realms and timelines exist..... because 'reasons'

also where did you get that doom 1 takes place on the moon?
Episode 1 happens in Phobos, one of the moons of Mars
Originally posted by SalmonSnake:
Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

I mean it is the same character.... the cutscenes even confirm that.

The codexes dive deeper into it too. The slayer arrived in classic doomguy armor and constantly muttered about fighting demons.

then we find out that different realms and timelines exist..... because 'reasons'

also where did you get that doom 1 takes place on the moon?
Episode 1 happens in Phobos, one of the moons of Mars

Doom 1 covers 2 moons, mars, and hell.....

I mean to me his statement was it was only on the moon apparently.
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