Confirmed to be censored

[Warxa]

They just revealed crossover costumes. Nina Williams's costume has been censored, an iconic costume that she had been wearing in every game since Tekken 5.

This may seem minor, but it adds credibility to the rumors that they censored a lot more content, like the removal of costumes, cutscenes, dialogues, etc

And Bandai Namco says in the same day that the game won't be censored, literally lying to their customers. I won't be supporting them ever again.

[Seagal]

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

I like to stick to evidence and facts, and the best information right now is that there is no censorship and will be no censorship in this game. Bandai-Namco says there is no censorship, and no one has provided any evidence that something was put into Arise, then changed for being seen as inappropriate.

I'm not going to argue with anyone about it, and everyone is welcome to their own opinion or take.

I personally don't see this as a big deal, and as I said, it's not something that will affect my purchase. But I see no facts here from the statement Bandai Namco made. This is someone who's job is to protect Bandai Namco mind you, and even what they said isn't a solid answer. It could mean that there's no censorship between versions.

“Tales of Arise will be released on September 10, 2021, on PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X|S, and PC. All versions will include the same story and features, without any form of censorship.”

Also, there's some pretty good evidence looking at the differences in the costumes, and that's something everyone can see with their own eyes. So if you're someone looking in on this, are you gonna believe what you can actually see, or the word of a PR rep for Bandai Namco?

I'm not saying either is right or wrong, but I feel it was extremely stupid for Bandai Namco to even let this happen. Anyone could have predicted this was going to happen the moment that costume was shown off.

I don't care either way, and I'll say again that the only thing that will cause my purchase to be refunded is Denuvo.

[Monterossa]

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

Per Bandai-Namco, it's not censored, and despite this entire thread, not one person has put forth evidence to show that a model was created in Arise based on Nina's outfit, and that someone then changed the model that had been created in Arise. That's what's required for it to have been censored. If an actor in a film says "dang" despite the word originating from the word "damn," it's only been censored if they change pre-existing script for the film/show to say "dang" instead of "damn." If the script said "dang" in the first place, it's not censorship. Same thing here with the costume situation.

It doesn't need to be like that in order to be a censorship.

It's like... if a government passes a law that say "Nobody can say the word 'milk' anymore." Of course, all the media will never use the word again. Because the order to censor has already been applied before they even write anything.

And your film analogy, if there's a guideline made by the producer or by the streaming platform that sponsored them, that they don't want curse words in their films, then yeah, the script will never had the word "damn" in the first place, but that doesn't mean there's no censorship.

Same thing. Sony already have those policies (proven to be true by many big media). So all the devs would want to make sure that their games will be greenlit by Sony reviewers on their first submission. Nobody wants to get their game rejected, because that means they'll have to delay the release and also work overtime, sleep at the company for months in order to fix stuff that Sony pointed out that they didn't like.

It does affected everyone, every platform. So why even defend them? What do you get from winning these arguments?

[Warxa]

Why do people keep arguing there's no censorship? Do people just read the title and not the part where I clearly said they censored Nina's costume?

Look up Tales of Arise's Nina Williams costume and then check out Nina's Tekken renders, you'll see they covered up parts of her skin.

This isn't only about this single costume, it adds credibility to the rumors that they censored a lot more stuff. One costume may seem insignificant, but it's only the tip of the ice berg.

[Melodia]

Warxa の投稿を引用：

Why do people keep arguing there's no censorship? Do people just read the title and not the part where I clearly said they censored Nina's costume?

You have yet to provide any proof that it's censorship. A slight change in a fricken add-on costume from the original does not censorship make.

Monterossa の投稿を引用：

And your film analogy, if there's a guideline made by the producer or by the streaming platform that sponsored them, that they don't want curse words in their films, then yeah, the script will never had the word "damn" in the first place, but that doesn't mean there's no censorship.

That would still not be censorship. Again, things are changed and dropped in development for a myriad of reasons, 99% of which the end user never sees. A lot of that is for what people here are saying is "censorship" (it's not, but that's beyond the point). If you really want to buy only thing that aren't "censored", then you pretty have to avoid buying ANY game (or movie) because outside of small 'for the art' type projects there will inevitably be SOMETHING that someone higher up disagreed with and doesn't want there, for whatever reason.

[Mr. Matt]

Musou の投稿を引用：

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

Per Bandai-Namco, it's not censored, and despite this entire thread, not one person has put forth evidence to show that a model was created in Arise based on Nina's outfit, and that someone then changed the model that had been created in Arise. That's what's required for it to have been censored. If an actor in a film says "dang" despite the word originating from the word "damn," it's only been censored if they change pre-existing script for the film/show to say "dang" instead of "damn." If the script said "dang" in the first place, it's not censorship. Same thing here with the costume situation.

You are wrong, this is a crossover costume, it already existed in an uncensored form for a long time, just because you put clothes from someone on another character doesn't magically cover up skin that was exposed on the original wearer, like were is that fabric suddenly coming from?
And no, Bamco never said that the optional DLC costumes aren't censored, they only said that the main game is uncensored, this is the same situation as with Atelier Ryza 2, uncensored main game but some DLC costumes were.

It is not a "crossover costume." It is a "collaboration costume." It is under no obligation to be exactly the Nina costume. It can be reimagined a lot or a little. Here, it's reimagined a little. As has been pointed out by myself and others multiple times, it is not censorship unless it was put into Arise, then changed. It appears to have been created this way for Arise from the ground up as there is a complete lack of evidence to the contrary, so...no censorship.

[Melodia]

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

It is not a "crossover costume." It is a "collaboration costume." It is under no obligation to be exactly the Nina costume. It can be reimagined a lot or a little. Here, it's reimagined a little. As has been pointed out by myself and others multiple times, it is not censorship unless it was put into Arise, then changed. It appears to have been created this way for Arise from the ground up as there is a complete lack of evidence to the contrary, so...no censorship.

What gets me is that people are harping on this when the majority of these people screaming 'censorship' probably would never have bought the edition that has it.

[Mr. Matt]

Monterossa の投稿を引用：

It doesn't need to be like that in order to be a censorship.

I'm sorry, it does.

It's like... if a government passes a law that say "Nobody can say the word 'milk' anymore." Of course, all the media will never use the word again. Because the order to censor has already been applied before they even write anything.

False. By your logic, virtually every character with genitalia in every work of fiction in most games you or most of us like are censored already, because they're wearing CLOTHES and nudity isn't allowed outside of sex games and 17+ games. Of course, this isn't the case.

It's only censorship if the people making the game intended it to be one way, then changed it. Unless Bandai-Namco comes out with an official statement that they intended to put an EXACT replica of Nina's costume into Arise, but were forbidden from doing so and changed it after putting it in looking the traditional way, then it's not censored.

And your film analogy, if there's a guideline made by the producer or by the streaming platform that sponsored them, that they don't want curse words in their films, then yeah, the script will never had the word "damn" in the first place, but that doesn't mean there's no censorship.

I refer to my nudity comment above. Characters wearing clothing at all isn't automatically censorship of nudity. Censorship would be the developer putting in nudity, then having to remove, change, or cover it up for the final release. Again, no proof of the version of Nina's costume Bandai-Namco created ever being intended to be identical to the original has been provided, so no proof of censorship.

Same thing. Sony already have those policies (proven to be true by many big media). So all the devs would want to make sure that their games will be greenlit by Sony reviewers on their first submission. Nobody wants to get their game rejected, because that means they'll have to delay the release and also work overtime, sleep at the company for months in order to fix stuff that Sony pointed out that they didn't like.

These are good points you make. However, it's only censorship if Bandai-Namco tried to do the original version of the Nina costume then had to change their plans. No proof has been provided by a single person to prove this allegation.

It does affected everyone, every platform. So why even defend them? What do you get from winning these arguments?

Because I support good behavior. If Bandai-Namco doesn't censor this game, and we want to support developers who don't censor games, then spreading misinformation which will decrease sales, which will negatively impact Bandai-Namco, then Bandai-Namco will have been "punished" with a drop in sales for doing nothing wrong. They will have less motivation not to censor if they get screwed over in their sales for doing as their customers demand by NOT censoring. Punish the bad, reward the good. Y'know, positive and negative reinforcement and all that stuff.

[Musou]

Why is it so difficult to just accept that one DLC costume is censored? Like I said as long the main game is uncensored I don't care, I don't buy cosmetic DLCs, but that doesn't mean I will not recognize and call out the censorship of it.

[Mr. Matt]

Musou の投稿を引用：

Why is it so difficult to just accept that one DLC costume is censored? Like I said as long the main game is uncensored I don't care, I don't buy cosmetic DLCs, but that doesn't mean I will not recognize and call out the censorship of it.

The same reason it's difficult to accept that 1 + 1 = 3: because it's difficult to accept false assertions. Provide me proof that the costume based on Nina's costume was put into the game or intended to be put into the game EXACTLY as it appeared on Nina to support your allegations.

[redsimonDE]

Musou の投稿を引用：

Why is it so difficult to just accept that one DLC costume is censored? Like I said as long the main game is uncensored I don't care, I don't buy cosmetic DLCs, but that doesn't mean I will not recognize and call out the censorship of it.

It's ideological. Some people are conditioned to believe authorities like large companies or government authorities unconditionally. There is no alternative to their authority in their eyes.
For them, something that must not happen cannnot happen.

[Musou]

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

Musou の投稿を引用：

Why is it so difficult to just accept that one DLC costume is censored? Like I said as long the main game is uncensored I don't care, I don't buy cosmetic DLCs, but that doesn't mean I will not recognize and call out the censorship of it.

The same reason it's difficult to accept that 1 + 1 = 3: because it's difficult to accept false assertions. Provide me proof that the costume based on Nina's costume was put into the game or intended to be put into the game EXACTLY as it appeared on Nina to support your allegations.

Literally the only difference is the waist part, in the original design it shows skin so sometime during development someone must have said "this original needs to be changed/censored for our game", it doesn't need to be already have been programmed into the game uncensored and nothing you could ever say will change my opinion on that, the costume is censored, end of story.

[Mr. Matt]

redsimonDE の投稿を引用：

Musou の投稿を引用：

Why is it so difficult to just accept that one DLC costume is censored? Like I said as long the main game is uncensored I don't care, I don't buy cosmetic DLCs, but that doesn't mean I will not recognize and call out the censorship of it.

It's ideological. Some people are conditioned to believe authorities like large companies or government authorities unconditionally. There is no alternative to their authority in their eyes.
For them, something that must not happen cannnot happen.

I'm impressed. You just created a strawman argument AND a character attack all in three sentences! No one in this thread to my recollection has stated that Bandai-Namco is guaranteed to be truthful in this situation. It would harm them to lie, and I've pointed that out previously in the thread, but that their word is not absolute, nor have people claimed that it is. However, it makes sense that a strawman argument and a character attack of what amounts to "sheep mentality" is what people must put forward here, since there is no evidence to support the allegation of censorship in this game.

[Mr. Matt]

Musou の投稿を引用：

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

The same reason it's difficult to accept that 1 + 1 = 3: because it's difficult to accept false assertions. Provide me proof that the costume based on Nina's costume was put into the game or intended to be put into the game EXACTLY as it appeared on Nina to support your allegations.

Literally the only difference is the waist part, in the original design it shows skin so sometime during development someone must have said "this original needs to be changed/censored for our game", it doesn't need to be already have been programmed into the game uncensored and nothing you could ever say will change my opinion on that, the costume is censored, end of story.

I'm not talking about your opinion, and I never have been. It can also be your opinion that 1 + 1 = 3 despite receiving information to the contrary. I can't help it if you really enjoy being wrong. Your argument you have just made is an assumption of something that Bandai-Namco has not said happened, and that no one has proof of actually being said.

[Musou]

Mr. Matt の投稿を引用：

Musou の投稿を引用：

Literally the only difference is the waist part, in the original design it shows skin so sometime during development someone must have said "this original needs to be changed/censored for our game", it doesn't need to be already have been programmed into the game uncensored and nothing you could ever say will change my opinion on that, the costume is censored, end of story.

I'm not talking about your opinion, and I never have been. It can also be your opinion that 1 + 1 = 3 despite receiving information to the contrary. I can't help it if you really enjoy being wrong. Your argument you have just made is an assumption of something that Bandai-Namco has not said happened, and that no one has proof of actually being said.

Kinda obvious that it happened though since the costume is censored. The real question is why, why is that bit of skin a problem when there are more revealing costumes?

[Xariot]

All I'm hearing is: "REEEEEEE LESS SKIN BEING SHOWN!"

Angry pervs are angry and pervy.