Crucifixes not working?

[Seoulwave1227]

After the recent update, I can have an entire room covered by 2 crucifixes, I and another player have experienced insta-hunt deaths, or the ghost is spawning the hunt from an adjacent room, not the favorite room. I'm literally dying every game now, and I havent changed any settings. What is going on?

[Cool Cereal]

Um. The ghosts can still start hunts from outside the favorite room you know? Roaming has been a thing for almost 4 years now…

[steventirey]

Are you 100% sure the ghost is starting a hunt in the area of the crucifixes? Like Cool Cereal said, the ghost can hunt from adjacent areas. The ghost is an actual entity moving around the house and when a hunt occurs it starts at the ghosts actual location, which may or may not be in the favored room.

As for insta-hunt deaths, what are your difficulty settings? There is normally a timer after the ghost starts to hunt before the ghost actually starts hunting.

[GooseDog]

Originally posted by Seoulwave1227:

After the recent update, I can have an entire room covered by 2 crucifixes, I and another player have experienced insta-hunt deaths, or the ghost is spawning the hunt from an adjacent room, not the favorite room. I'm literally dying every game now, and I havent changed any settings. What is going on?

Possibly. I literally popped in here to see if anyone was on this topic because I just watched a teammate get insta killed at the front door of Tanglewood and the cross was right there in front of the table with the car keys in it. Zero chance she was out of the protection circle. We are on 1 sec grace.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by GooseDogTransAm:

Originally posted by Seoulwave1227:

After the recent update, I can have an entire room covered by 2 crucifixes, I and another player have experienced insta-hunt deaths, or the ghost is spawning the hunt from an adjacent room, not the favorite room. I'm literally dying every game now, and I havent changed any settings. What is going on?

Possibly. I literally popped in here to see if anyone was on this topic because I just watched a teammate get insta killed at the front door of Tanglewood and the cross was right there in front of the table with the car keys in it. Zero chance she was out of the protection circle. We are on 1 sec grace.

It doesnt matter if the Player is outside or inside the protection circle; What matters is whether the ghost is or isn't in the area of the crucifix at the time it tries to initiate a hunt.

Crucifixes are purely a PREVENTATIVE tool; If the hunt has already begun, A crucifix will do Nothing to stop or hinder the ghost in any way. It will only stop a hunt attempt IF the ghost is within it's radius at the time the hunt attempt is made.

[WolfLink0370]

I'm going to throw my own two cents in and add to that whole preventative measures bit Shurenai mentioned.
I've done I feel as much research as I can on the matter, but even if you use the crucifixes and put them perfectly to prevent hunts, there are a few instances where they won't work despite ones carefulness.

First off, Twin Hunts: The crucifixes protections only apply if the ghost entity is in its range when it performs it's "hunt check" - however, The Twins ability makes this a literal coin flip. This is because the "fast twin" actually starts hunting from the last item affected by it's larger secondary interaction radius, and will teleport into position after the hunt check is passed (and if this happens to be inside of the range of a crucifix it will appear as if it didn't work).

Beyond that fairly obvious situation - there seems to be no evidence to deny the possibility that the ghost is allowed to move while it decides to do something... this includes hunting. As far as confirming if this is a possibility... well, there is a bit of credence in the fact that the "DOTS state" is something that can be decided by moving... but that might be specifically for that decision. Either way... there's nothing to my knowledge hard denies... or confirms... the plausibility of any ghost being capable of doing it's hunt check while on the move.

[Quineloe]

I have literal video evidence of ghosts starting hunts on top of crucifixes but it is gatekept by bad faith moderators on their discord.

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

I have literal video evidence of ghosts starting hunts on top of crucifixes but it is gatekept by bad faith moderators on their discord.

then link the video evidence here
on discord ppl are generally wary of new members sharing media, as it can be spam or inappropriate so most discord servers have an automatic bot removing all media posted by new members
as I m not on the phasmo discord I can not tell if this is true for the phasmo one, but just in general it is to be expected that media shared on discord gets insta-deleted

[Watcher Rat]

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

on discord ppl are generally vary of new members sharing media, as it can be spam or inappropriate so most discord servers have an automatic bot removing all media posted by new members
as I m not on the phasmo discord I can not tell if this is true for the phasmo one, but just in general it is to be expected that media shared on discord gets insta-deleted

Pretty much this. Only the mods and maybe a couple specific people are able to post links on their channels last time I looked, including youtube links. They do get removed by the bots automatically, and trying to repost over and over would likely get one booted as well.

No problems posting youtube links here though, hence why we always ask people to put them here to see what you see.

[GooseDog]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by GooseDogTransAm:

Possibly. I literally popped in here to see if anyone was on this topic because I just watched a teammate get insta killed at the front door of Tanglewood and the cross was right there in front of the table with the car keys in it. Zero chance she was out of the protection circle. We are on 1 sec grace.

It doesnt matter if the Player is outside or inside the protection circle; What matters is whether the ghost is or isn't in the area of the crucifix at the time it tries to initiate a hunt.

Crucifixes are purely a PREVENTATIVE tool; If the hunt has already begun, A crucifix will do Nothing to stop or hinder the ghost in any way. It will only stop a hunt attempt IF the ghost is within it's radius at the time the hunt attempt is made.

Yup, with nearly 500 hours in this game under my belt, I think I'm pretty much aware of how the game mechanics are supposed to work. No hunt had begun. My teammate had just walked inside the front door. I was standing on the cross in the entrance hallway 2 meters away. The ghost spawned in between us, inside of the cross coverage. If it had come from the blue room or the nursery, it would have had to go through the wall, or past me to get her, and a polty won't do that. Polty also isn't fast enough to have come from an area outside the coverage in 2 seconds. I should end this by stating that this is a VERY rare occurrence for me, mostly Edgefield which is known for this bug, and even then is very rare. I'm a huge fan of this game and frequently recommend it. Any criticism I offer is balanced by the fact that I accept early access status and that this game only costs $14.

[Quineloe]

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

Originally posted by Quineloe:

I have literal video evidence of ghosts starting hunts on top of crucifixes but it is gatekept by bad faith moderators on their discord.

then link the video evidence here

what for? I'm not in the mood to argue with a bunch of contrarians who didn't even watch the video and have to go over the same objections over and over and over. For example, you already provide one yourself:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

on discord ppl are generally wary of new members sharing media, as it can be spam or inappropriate so most discord servers have an automatic bot removing all media posted by new members

A perfect example of a pointless discussion:

new members?
imgur.com/GZj5RMt
Yeah, I guess that's new
Automatic removal of media?
So you don't know there's a video channel where you can actually post anything or upload videos directly, and that you can do the same in the bug reports section
You're not even on that discord, so yes, thanks for providing the prime example here.
But thank you very much for providing some very generic discord advice that doesn't apply here, especially with such conviction.

[Quineloe]

Originally posted by Watcher Rat:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

on discord ppl are generally vary of new members sharing media, as it can be spam or inappropriate so most discord servers have an automatic bot removing all media posted by new members
as I m not on the phasmo discord I can not tell if this is true for the phasmo one, but just in general it is to be expected that media shared on discord gets insta-deleted

Pretty much this. Only the mods and maybe a couple specific people are able to post links on their channels last time I looked, including youtube links. They do get removed by the bots automatically, and trying to repost over and over would likely get one booted as well.

No problems posting youtube links here though, hence why we always ask people to put them here to see what you see.

no, pretty much the opposite of this. The discord has a dedicated media section where people can upload and link videos as much as they want to. More spreading of desinformation with 100% conviction right here.

[Yeahsayer]

I have the same problem: the ghost spawns directly on the crucifix or near it. faced this situation only at Willow Street yet. if I recall correctly, russian YouTuber DeLimour caught similar glitch or bug or whatever during a stream.

[Cregan]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

then link the video evidence here

what for? I'm not in the mood to argue with a bunch of contrarians who didn't even watch the video and have to go over the same objections over and over and over. For example, you already provide one yourself:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

on discord ppl are generally wary of new members sharing media, as it can be spam or inappropriate so most discord servers have an automatic bot removing all media posted by new members

A perfect example of a pointless discussion:

new members?
imgur.com/GZj5RMt
Yeah, I guess that's new
Automatic removal of media?
So you don't know there's a video channel where you can actually post anything or upload videos directly, and that you can do the same in the bug reports section
You're not even on that discord, so yes, thanks for providing the prime example here.
But thank you very much for providing some very generic discord advice that doesn't apply here, especially with such conviction.

So you come here to complain nobody is taking your proof seriously, then when people ask to see you proof you decide to stick with "I don't feel like it".

You're shooting yourself in the foot here. Either provide the proof when asked for it, or stop complaining.

[Quineloe]

I have nothing to gain from convincing a bunch of steam users. It's on the discord, you can find it there if you feel like digging.

It's not like I'm the only one who has experienced it, I didn't start the thread and there is yet another guy posting right above you who had it happen too.

[WolfLink0370]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

I have nothing to gain from convincing a bunch of steam users. It's on the discord, you can find it there if you feel like digging.

It's not like I'm the only one who has experienced it, I didn't start the thread and there is yet another guy posting right above you who had it happen too.

Okay... and I in turn gave a perfectly logical reasoning to why this may be happening... to which I will repeat.

As far as I am aware, there is nothing forcing and/or requiring that the ghost stops moving before performing their crucifix check, and then begin the hunt upon reaching where they were supposed to stop. We can see this sort of behavior already with how the "Dots State" works with ghosts with that evidence... so there is some credibility to this theory, just not any hard proof (as we obviously don't know if the decision making for the two works exactly the same as each other).