T2 therm is worse than T1

[Dankus Weebus]

How is T2 thermometer better than T1? T1 is live information, T2 I have to constantly keep holding down the button and letting go to get an updated temperature, this fact alone makes it easier finding the ghost room with a T1 thermometer. Please change how T2 works so instead of constantly have to RE-CLICK to get an update, you just hold the button down and the temp on the screen shows a live feed of the temperature.

[Damoncord]

Because T2 updates MUCH faster than the T1? Yeah you're having to press a button and wait a few seconds, but it's better than "throw it onto the counter and check back a few minutes later.

[Shurenai]

It comes down to when and how you're using it. T1 thermo is great if you're just bringing it into the room and dropping it and ignoring it till the end of the game, because it's slow and not good for active use. T2 thermo though, you can just bring it into any room at any time and get an instant read of what the temperature is. Do it two or three times to get a hopefully decent spread from the accuracy spread (goes from actual value to +2 over that value; so if it's 0c it can show as high as 2c).

T1 thermo is pre-active; You bring it in, drop and forget it. T2 is post-active, you bring it in when you think the room should be cold enough and check at that point.

If the room is already at -10c, T1 is a LONG wait for it to get to freezing from 20c, T2 is instant.

It all comes down to playstyle really; And that's kinda the goal of the devs balance choices on the items- The T2/T3 items generally aren't meant to just be straight up upgrades of the lower tier stuff that make it so you never want to use lower tiered stuff again- The lower tier stuff is meant to maybe still have some value for certain players even after they've unlocked T2/T3 stuff. I can tell you I personally will be using T1 dots forever unless T3 is some kindof amazing, because I like being able to direct it wherever I want to check. Same with T1 thermo; But my sister prefers T2 thermo since she likes to actively check not just drop and forget at the start of the match.

[Vapid Actions]

I actually agree the T1 is better than T2, after getting T3 and playing with it up till level 92 currently (not 'speed running'), It's actually arguable for me if T3 is better than T1. The reason for it is because T2 and T3 aren't "accurate", temperatures can fluctuate quite a lot on readings, but the T1 because it takes time to change, it averages everything out and tends to be a lot more accurate on its readings.

Pretty much the only thing T2 and T3 have going for them for me is that it's quicker to check around for 'possible' ghost rooms, but the T1 is more reliable and less direct item use intensive. it typically only takes 5 seconds to tell on the T1 if it's the ghost room with a breaker on (is it dropping or not?), it doesn't take all that long. Then leave it, and check it later for freezing, because it's still doing its thing instead of poking the T2 and T3 over and over and over.

[Dankus Weebus]

Im not talking about for freezing temps evidence, i mean in terms of finding the ghost room. I have to host now because my friend upgraded her thermometer and we hate it. I havent bought the upgrade. With the T1 on prof, I turn on the power and can find the ghost room within 30 seconds, *because it gives me live data* as soon as it ticks downward one time, I know i'm in the ghost room, this works 100% of the time. T2 temp goes up, down, middle, down, up, and I cant tell if the temp is trending downwards unless I wait *the reason you're claiming for T1's downfall*.

I have been playing for days and at no point has the map naturally been -10 as you state(even with it snowing), so the T1 always trends downwards when in the ghost room and power is on.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Dankus Weebus:

Im not talking about for freezing temps evidence, i mean in terms of finding the ghost room. I have to host now because my friend upgraded her thermometer and we hate it. I havent bought the upgrade. With the T1 on prof, I turn on the power and can find the ghost room within 30 seconds, *because it gives me live data* as soon as it ticks downward one time, I know i'm in the ghost room, this works 100% of the time. T2 temp goes up, down, middle, down, up, and I cant tell if the temp is trending downwards unless I wait *the thing you're claiming is T1's downfall*.

Missed that bit of your OP, sorry; But, kinda fits my point anyway. You use the thermo in a completely different way than I do; I dont use it to find the ghost room. I use other methods to find the ghost room then move the thermo to it. My sister finds the room in her own way then does other evidences first and then uses therm after it's cooled down- And thats kindof the point of varying items.

So for you, T1 is king because it seems like you care a lot about efficiency- Get in and find the ghost room NOW- Not later.

[StaticR]

The T1 thermo is extremely good at finding the ghost room. It takes a while to show the actual temperature number for the evidence but it instantly shows you whether the room you're currently in is warmer or colder than the previous one and because of how room temperatures work that's pretty much all you need to know to find the ghost.

Getting evidence with it takes much longer but it works passively while you can do other stuff and because it's so good to find the ghost with it's probably the first thing you bring with you anyways so you can just leave it while you go do all your other stuff and check back later.

T2 is really only better if you forget the thermo at the start, bring it in late and the room is already freezing, or the ghost changed room and you find out very late. Then it gets you the evidence right away.


Seems like the devs kinda tunnel visioned on the evidence aspect of it and forgot to consider the thermo's other merits.

[GuineaPrince]

Sounds like good reason to bring mixed gear. There's certainly enough loadout space, you can have one or two Tier I thermometers and one or two higher tiers and that way you can get your hold to beep and your check for drops.

[Quineloe]

Originally posted by Damoncord:

Because T2 updates MUCH faster than the T1? Yeah you're having to press a button and wait a few seconds, but it's better than "throw it onto the counter and check back a few minutes later.

The T1 updates instantly when the temperature of the room you just entered is lower. The T2 doesn't update until you held the button down for a few seconds. The mercury starts falling *instantly*. T2 can't be faster than that. It's just easier to read once you got the temperature. But especially for the quick freezing check once ghost room has been found the T1 is superior.

I'm not upgrading.

[eagle7907]

T1 is inaccurate. T2 is accurate, but it is slow to get a reading. I think they sort of are the same level as usefulness. I do agree with OP that T1 seems to be better for finding ghost room than T2 since it is a quicker reading.

[Quineloe]

How is T1 inaccurate? The reading stays constant at 1°C if it's in the ghost room and the ghost didn't leave. There are no fluctuations. The reading is exactly still.

[GalYurr]

I agree T1 is superior. Bought the T2, tried it out and went right back to T1. Also, fyi, you can downgrade to a lower tier item by just clicking on the item and then selecting the one you want to use (yellow border).

[Dankus Weebus]

Originally posted by GalYurr:

I agree T1 is superior. Bought the T2, tried it out and went right back to T1. Also, fyi, you can downgrade to a lower tier item by just clicking on the item and then selecting the one you want to use (yellow border).

You sir just saved my group, we were just avoiding buying the upgrades for the thermometer.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by eagle7907:

T1 is inaccurate. T2 is accurate, but it is slow to get a reading. I think they sort of are the same level as usefulness. I do agree with OP that T1 seems to be better for finding ghost room than T2 since it is a quicker reading.

T2 is quite inaccurate as well with a range of 2°C and on top of it you're trading the ability to read, if the temps are going up or down right now, on top of it being noticably slower.

I would say the only real reason to take the T2 thermo over the T1 thermo is, if you've problems to read the T1 thermo.

[Quineloe]

Given how most ghosts lower the temperature of their present room to exactly 1°C, if the T2 thermo has any inaccuracies at all it is awful because that would mean it would give actual freezing temps without it being freezing temps

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Given how most ghosts lower the temperature of their present room to exactly 1°C, if the T2 thermo has any inaccuracies at all it is awful because that would mean it would give actual freezing temps without it being freezing temps

As far as I know, the ghost brings it to 0.1c; not 1c. The T2 thermo does have inaccuracy- But it's only upwards, +2 variance from actual So a 1c could show as anywhere from 1-3c. So any shown sub-zero temp is actually freezing.