DEVS: HDR on PC... cmon guys...patch it in

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If you can do it for the PS4, you can do it for PC. There's no reason why this shouldn't be an option. It's getting ridiculous.

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If you can do it for the PS4, you can do it for PC. There's no reason why this shouldn't be an option. It's getting ridiculous.

DigitalFoundry reported that the HDR in this game is very poorly implemented, so I'm not that upset about not getting HDR this time.

All I really care about is:
1. Did they fix the pill hitboxes?
2. If no, has a modder fixed the pill hitboxes?

When one of those can be answered with yes, then I'll buy. Those pill hitboxes are, to quote the SEGA CD episode of AVGN, total ♥♥♥♥♥♥' gar-♥♥♥♥♥!!!! I don't need to be sliding off of platforms after I've successfully made a jump. They ruined these games with that change.

They are talking about poor support on PC, few games support, not that it is broken on PC.

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And even if HDR compatibility in Windows was broken, no HDR monitors existed, which are not true, people are paying the same price as the console versions and losing a great feature. Also, games are not made to be played only on release date, they can be played on future on many HDR tv's and monitors.

There is no excuse, other than the devs trying to take advantage on misinformed PC gamers who have seen HDR on poor panels, or doesn't know what it is, also BF1 and Far Cry 5 look great on PC.

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Lmao, HDR is barely noticeable and according to DigitalFoundry the HDR implementation in this game is rather poor. Going from 30 to 60fps is a much better difference.

Well, I have HDR on my OLED TV and the difference is huge, many tv's or monitors doesn't have a good peak brightness and black level to reproduce HDR properly, but are sold as being ''HDR ready'' or something like that.

I have HDR on my TV as well, there's really not that big of a difference and it's definitely NOT a selling point when it comes to games. If someone thinks HDR is more important than going from 30 to +60fps, that person is crazy.

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Well, I have HDR on my OLED TV and the difference is huge, many tv's or monitors doesn't have a good peak brightness and black level to reproduce HDR properly, but are sold as being ''HDR ready'' or something like that.

I have HDR on my TV as well, there's really not that big of a difference and it's definitely NOT a selling point when it comes to games. If someone thinks HDR is more important than going from 30 to +60fps, that person is crazy.

Can I ask you which TV do you have? Nobody said that HDR is more or less important than 60 fps, the fact is that the PC version is losing a great visual feature.

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I have HDR on my TV as well, there's really not that big of a difference and it's definitely NOT a selling point when it comes to games. If someone thinks HDR is more important than going from 30 to +60fps, that person is crazy.

Can I ask you which TV do you have? Nobody said that HDR is more or less important than 60 fps, the fact is that the PC version is losing a great visual feature.

A Philips 55PUS6262/12. The guy I was originally quoting said that HDR is more important than better graphics, a higher framerate and less input lag.

Also like I said earlier, DigitalFoundry said that the HDR that is implemented in to the game is poor so I don't think we're missing much.

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Can I ask you which TV do you have? Nobody said that HDR is more or less important than 60 fps, the fact is that the PC version is losing a great visual feature.

A Philips 55PUS6262/12. The guy I was originally quoting said that HDR is more important than better graphics, a higher framerate and less input lag.

Also like I said earlier, DigitalFoundry said that the HDR that is implemented in to the game is poor so I don't think we're missing much.

Sorry then, didn't knew somebody said that before.

I never heard about your TV, so I can't say anything, but I recommend you to see HDR in a OLED screen if you have the opportunity.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-how-nvidia-aims-to-address-pcs-hdr-problem

If you are refering to this link, they are talking about lack of support from devs, and some poor monitors, not that HDR doesn't work well on PC, and like I said before, games like Crash can be played in the future, when HDR panels will be more common.

''At the very least, the arrival of more HDR screens - whether they're TVs or PC monitors - should result in more PC games supporting them. According to Nvidia, only 31 titles currently support HDR (compare and contrast with Xbox One X's far more wide-ranging support), and we're hopeful that this will change. There have already been some promising moves: HDR is baked in at the engine level in EA's Frostbite engine and is present in PC games. Meanwhile, there have been some very positive support from Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed Origins has first class HDR support, while Far Cry 5 also looks great, so the signs are looking promising and we're hopeful that this momentum, combined with more displays, means that high dynamic range becomes the standard across all platforms.''

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A Philips 55PUS6262/12. The guy I was originally quoting said that HDR is more important than better graphics, a higher framerate and less input lag.

Also like I said earlier, DigitalFoundry said that the HDR that is implemented in to the game is poor so I don't think we're missing much.

Sorry then, didn't knew somebody said that before.

I never heard about your TV, so I can't say anything, but I recommend you to see HDR in a OLED screen if you have the opportunity.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-how-nvidia-aims-to-address-pcs-hdr-problem

If you are refering to this link, they are talking about lack of support from devs, and some poor monitors, not that HDR doesn't work well on PC, and like I said before, games like Crash can be played in the future, when HDR panels will be more common.

''At the very least, the arrival of more HDR screens - whether they're TVs or PC monitors - should result in more PC games supporting them. According to Nvidia, only 31 titles currently support HDR (compare and contrast with Xbox One X's far more wide-ranging support), and we're hopeful that this will change. There have already been some promising moves: HDR is baked in at the engine level in EA's Frostbite engine and is present in PC games. Meanwhile, there have been some very positive support from Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed Origins has first class HDR support, while Far Cry 5 also looks great, so the signs are looking promising and we're hopeful that this momentum, combined with more displays, means that high dynamic range becomes the standard across all platforms.''

All good, mang. I do hope HDR will be more common in the future, it's a nice feature and my next monitor will probably have it, I just don't think it's that important.

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Sure, no problem, just be aware of some monitors with poor black and peak levels.

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Sure, no problem, just be aware of some monitors with poor black and peak levels.

With respect you are refering to expensive TV's, if the price is not a problem then you can get this

https://www.144hzmonitors.com/reviews/acer-predator-xb272-hdr-review/

Display Type : UHD 4K IPS Display
Viewable Area 27-inch Curved display with G-Sync, HDR 10 & 144Hz refresh rate
Resolution 3840 x 2160 (UHD)
Response Time 50 GTG, Rec 2020 color space,
Brightness 1000 nits (1000cd/m2 Peak)

Also you said that PC has this problem, but even on consoles there are only a couple of HDR titles and again even TV's, not all have HDR10 , maybe 6 or fake HDR .

And you also said that we are not having a great feature, well for this game not really the HDR is bare minimal and as you can see in the video that I linked in Battlefield that HDR is great but still not well optimised.

And on consoles let's be honest, mkay HDR but you have games that don't reach 30FPS 1080p but you have HDR, look at BB on PS4 PRO it still has input lag even with the pro. So from my point of view they should first stabilize the FPS at 30 and 60 then reach 1440p and maybe 4k native and only after that HDR :D.

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There is no excuse, other than the devs trying to take advantage on misinformed PC gamers who have seen HDR on poor panels, or doesn't know what it is, also BF1 and Far Cry 5 look great on PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KjIPAJXxNM

Wel you are right and wrong, BF1 looks better in many places with HDR but not in all :D.
look from 4:46 ... so HDR as a tehnich is great but depends on the implementaion as you can see in this example and overall the BF1 inplementation is one of the better ones :D.

I can't say about games in HDR because I don't have HDR on any of my 4 diplays but I did install a HDR TV and saw some 4k blueray movies and yes the difference is there :D.

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Sure, no problem, just be aware of some monitors with poor black and peak levels.

With respect you are refering to expensive TV's, if the price is not a problem then you can get this

https://www.144hzmonitors.com/reviews/acer-predator-xb272-hdr-review/

Display Type : UHD 4K IPS Display
Viewable Area 27-inch Curved display with G-Sync, HDR 10 & 144Hz refresh rate
Resolution 3840 x 2160 (UHD)
Response Time 50 GTG, Rec 2020 color space,
Brightness 1000 nits (1000cd/m2 Peak)

Also you said that PC has this problem, but even on consoles there are only a couple of HDR titles and again even TV's, not all have HDR10 , maybe 6 or fake HDR .

And you also said that we are not having a great feature, well for this game not really the HDR is bare minimal and as you can see in the video that I linked in Battlefield that HDR is great but still not well optimised.

And on consoles let's be honest, mkay HDR but you have games that don't reach 30FPS 1080p but you have HDR, look at BB on PS4 PRO it still has input lag even with the pro. So from my point of view they should first stabilize the FPS at 30 and 60 then reach 1440p and maybe 4k native and only after that HDR :D.

IPS has poor blacks, miles away from oled, you would need at least a VA panel to have good HDR.

Not only 6, much more, but I will not make free ads :D, in case you haven't made this yet, see reviews on rtings.com

The Xbox One X have a good list of games with HDR, including Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4, that the pc ports doesn't have, the Witcher 3 received a patch recently to include HDR on both consoles, but nothing on PC.

That PC is better, including input lag, this is clear in my mind, no discussion, but this is not an excuse to not have HDR..This is not a PC vs console discussion, at least from my part.

And BF1 looks great, you just need to adjust the slider on menu. You can even watch HDR movies on PC with MADVR or HDR videos on Youtube.

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With respect you are refering to expensive TV's, if the price is not a problem then you can get this

https://www.144hzmonitors.com/reviews/acer-predator-xb272-hdr-review/

Display Type : UHD 4K IPS Display
Viewable Area 27-inch Curved display with G-Sync, HDR 10 & 144Hz refresh rate
Resolution 3840 x 2160 (UHD)
Response Time 50 GTG, Rec 2020 color space,
Brightness 1000 nits (1000cd/m2 Peak)

Also you said that PC has this problem, but even on consoles there are only a couple of HDR titles and again even TV's, not all have HDR10 , maybe 6 or fake HDR .

And you also said that we are not having a great feature, well for this game not really the HDR is bare minimal and as you can see in the video that I linked in Battlefield that HDR is great but still not well optimised.

And on consoles let's be honest, mkay HDR but you have games that don't reach 30FPS 1080p but you have HDR, look at BB on PS4 PRO it still has input lag even with the pro. So from my point of view they should first stabilize the FPS at 30 and 60 then reach 1440p and maybe 4k native and only after that HDR :D.

IPS has poor blacks, miles away from oled, you would need at least a VA panel to have good HDR.

Not only 6, much more, but I will not make free ads :D, in case you haven't made this yet, see reviews on rtings.com

The Xbox One X have a good list of games with HDR, including Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4, that the pc ports doesn't have, the Witcher 3 received a patch recently to include HDR on both consoles, but nothing on PC.


That PC is better, including input lag, this is clear in my mind, no discussion, but this is not an excuse to not have HDR..This is not a PC vs console discussion, at least from my part.

And BF1 looks great, you just need to adjust the slider on menu. You can even watch HDR movies on PC with MADVR or HDR videos on Youtube.

Sorry but you need to balance the input lag resolution, color bit aka 10bit and Hrz 60+ to 144Hrz something that Oleds as great as they are can't do that, VA are grear but this is the best you can get now :D.

Curved display with G-Sync, HDR 10 & 144Hz refresh rate, Response Time 50 GTG, Rec 2020 color space, Brightness 1000 nits (1000cd/m2 Peak)
this here is the best you can get now at the end of 2018 and is way above any OLED on pure performance as I said again HDR is great but not #1 :D.

The PC doesn't have games with HDR because there are only a couple of games there and the console only have 4k that is fake by the way checker boarded and HDR that is all :D so of course they will push more HDR on titles because that doesn't inpact performance but will increase the high end market aka the OLEDS, marketing anyone :D.

No I would rather focus on implamenting on all old titles 60 FPS at 1080p and then go after HDR is not that important.

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There is no excuse, other than the devs trying to take advantage on misinformed PC gamers who have seen HDR on poor panels, or doesn't know what it is, also BF1 and Far Cry 5 look great on PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KjIPAJXxNM

Wel you are right and wrong, BF1 looks better in many places with HDR but not in all :D.
look from 4:46 ... so HDR as a tehnich is great but depends on the implementaion as you can see in this example and overall the BF1 inplementation is one of the better ones :D.

I can't say about games in HDR because I don't have HDR on any of my 4 diplays but I did install a HDR TV and saw some 4k blueray movies and yes the difference is there :D.

I don't know why this guy made this video in first place, it doesn't even have HDR enabled, and he writes ''hdr on'' and then ''hdr off'', of course his ''HDR'' look bad.

You have to enable HDR on Windows and then check if the video have real hdr on video quality, if it says 4k but doesn't say HDR, the video has no HDR. And of course, you need a HDR panel.

As an example, my TV shows a sign that says HDR when the same is enabled, but others doesn't say anything.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KjIPAJXxNM

Wel you are right and wrong, BF1 looks better in many places with HDR but not in all :D.
look from 4:46 ... so HDR as a tehnich is great but depends on the implementaion as you can see in this example and overall the BF1 inplementation is one of the better ones :D.

I can't say about games in HDR because I don't have HDR on any of my 4 diplays but I did install a HDR TV and saw some 4k blueray movies and yes the difference is there :D.

I don't know why this guy made this video in first place, it doesn't even have HDR enabled, and he writes ''hdr on'' and then ''hdr off'', of course his ''HDR'' look bad.

You have to enable HDR on Windows and then check if the video have real hdr on video quality, if it says 4k but doesn't say HDR, the video has no HDR. And of course, you need a HDR panel.

As an example, my TV shows a sign that says HDR when the same is enabled, but others doesn't say anything.

Did you watch the video at all, he has a HDR panel and showed the differences with HDR on but you can see that is not in all places optimal watch the panels from 4:46 :D.

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IPS has poor blacks, miles away from oled, you would need at least a VA panel to have good HDR.

Not only 6, much more, but I will not make free ads :D, in case you haven't made this yet, see reviews on rtings.com

The Xbox One X have a good list of games with HDR, including Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4, that the pc ports doesn't have, the Witcher 3 received a patch recently to include HDR on both consoles, but nothing on PC.


That PC is better, including input lag, this is clear in my mind, no discussion, but this is not an excuse to not have HDR..This is not a PC vs console discussion, at least from my part.

And BF1 looks great, you just need to adjust the slider on menu. You can even watch HDR movies on PC with MADVR or HDR videos on Youtube.

Sorry but you need to balance the input lag resolution, color bit aka 10bit and Hrz 60+ to 144Hrz something that Oleds as great as they are can't do that, VA are grear but this is the best you can get now :D.

Curved display with G-Sync, HDR 10 & 144Hz refresh rate, Response Time 50 GTG, Rec 2020 color space, Brightness 1000 nits (1000cd/m2 Peak)
this here is the best you can get now at the end of 2018 and is way above any OLED on pure performance as I said again HDR is great but not #1 :D.

The PC doesn't have games with HDR because there are only a couple of games there and the console only have 4k that is fake by the way checker boarded and HDR that is all :D so of course they will push more HDR on titles because that doesn't inpact performance but will increase the high end market aka the OLEDS, marketing anyone :D.

I don't wanna enter in a debate of TV vs monitor, I also have a great TN 1440p GSync monitor from ASUS, and it have 20ish ms of input lag, just like my TV, response time is another thing.