"As much as 40% of the pro scene is using hacks."

[.neo (っ◔◡◔)っ.]

"Smn, the originally banned player, commented on a livestream on Friday about his ban and the incident, allegedly saying that as much as 40% of the pro scene is using hacks."

http://www.pcgamer.com/csgo-competitive-scene-embroiled-in-hacking-scandal-as-three-players-are-banned/

So where is Valve? We should demand a serious resoponse to this statement!

[KillahInstinct]

You're forgetting something, Valve are the ones who iniated the ban wave.

[Talairina]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

You're forgetting something, Valve are the ones who iniated the ban wave.

Actually that was ESEA who did that with the banning of Simon "smn" Beck. Valve then got in touch with ESEA and following a VAC update both KQLY and Sf was banned.

[cJ ツ...]

Originally posted by TalTsinth KWSNi:

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

You're forgetting something, Valve are the ones who iniated the ban wave.

Actually that was ESEA who did that with the banning of Simon "smn" Beck. Valve then got in touch with ESEA and following a VAC update both KQLY and Sf was banned.

+1

[Dragir]

Thats why they should be using battleye... Vac doesn't detect lua hacks. =/

And yeah, they initiated it... After the dude was banned from a third party server finding app for using the hack.

Its a source game. You really shouldn't be surprised that people hack the damn thing.

[KillahInstinct]

Seeing the output of a cheat, ie ESEA -seeing- someone cheating, is a lot easier than detecting the cheat. Rest assured he had the ban incoming one way or another ;)

[.neo (っ◔◡◔)っ.]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

You're forgetting something, Valve are the ones who iniated the ban wave.

I said we should see an investigation into this, are up to 40% of pro players REALLY using hacks? Why are these undetected? Etc, etc...

[Doge]

Smn is a noname, probably the guy that sells the cheats to him told that lie to him to make him buy it, same as the guy that make cheaters told KQLY to try, but at the moment just 3 players were banned, so stop spreading misinformation saying that 40% of players use cheats.

[Talairina]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

Seeing the output of a cheat, ie ESEA -seeing- someone cheating, is a lot easier than detecting the cheat. Rest assured he had the ban incoming one way or another ;)

ESEA don't just 'see' cheat's, it is an actual Anti-Cheat Client similar to the way VAC work's. Granted VAC work's at the engine level so should theoretically catch cheat's at far better rate but ESEA seem's to have a pretty healthy catch rate themselves.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by ☠ neo:

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

You're forgetting something, Valve are the ones who iniated the ban wave.

I said we should see an investigation into this, are up to 40% of pro players REALLY using hacks? Why are these undetected? Etc, etc...

You can find those answers really easily, just read up on how VAC works (= detection, delayed bans) and how Overwatch works (visual, crowdsourced). ESEA handles it differently yet again.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by TalTsinth KWSNi:

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

Seeing the output of a cheat, ie ESEA -seeing- someone cheating, is a lot easier than detecting the cheat. Rest assured he had the ban incoming one way or another ;)

ESEA don't just 'see' cheat's, it is an actual Anti-Cheat Client similar to the way VAC work's. Granted VAC work's at the engine level so should theoretically catch cheat's at far better rate but ESEA seem's to have a pretty healthy catch rate themselves.

I'm not disagreeing with that. They also provide a false sense of security to others though ;) To ellaborate, there is this conception that ESEA blocks all cheats and cheaters, and while they argueably do a good job, which you pay a lot for afterall, and that thus VAC sucks.

[Talairina]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

Originally posted by TalTsinth KWSNi:

ESEA don't just 'see' cheat's, it is an actual Anti-Cheat Client similar to the way VAC work's. Granted VAC work's at the engine level so should theoretically catch cheat's at far better rate but ESEA seem's to have a pretty healthy catch rate themselves.

I'm not disagreeing with that. They also provide a false sense of security to others though ;) To ellaborate, there is this conception that ESEA blocks all cheats and cheaters, and while they argueably do a good job, which you pay a lot for afterall, and that thus VAC sucks.

I agree with you, don't worry about that :). There is no such thing as 100% protection. The fact these 'cheats' were even used at LAN's show that even with VAC, ESEA and the other anti-cheats new and old, you simply can't stop them all. I've not been one to hate on VAC, as I understand the need to work in waves, so I'm more then willing to wait around a little for that wave to hit and clear up one cheat in one good swoop. :-p

[DavidCarlson]

smn probably just wants a witch hunt, and I don't blame him... but 40% seems very high, especially with all the eyes on you

for all I know, this could be like cycling; where everyone is cheating to stay ahead of the pack

[ƒaÏL]

Btw ESEA was also informed by players that had knowledge the cheat was being used. This helped getting to it faster. It seems the cheat was embedded into the Steam Workshop files and was extremely hard to spot both visually and software wise, even during a LAN tournament it would be near impossible to tell if the player was cheating or not.

[xrobibn]

Stopping cheaters on the tournaments is as easy as:
- Give players a clean PC. Only with steam and cs go. No more
- One impartial person change the settings for each player (crosshair, sensitivity, etc)
- If needed, one impartial person install other things like mouse
- Avoid installing more things, including workshop

[僕の名前 (仮)]

Where did he get those 40%? Is he knows exactly who is cheating and who is not?