Dominions 5

Dominions 5

lips Feb 9, 2019 @ 9:30am
Machaka Discussion/Help
Just got the game. Never been great at strategy games but I enjoy them. Instantly fell for the giant spiders that Machaka uses but the faction feels kind of weak and like it fights itself. Started MA Machaka and found the *Stupid* tag on the spiders is a huge pain. They either fight or stand there? That seems really bad. Plus I won a really big battle against another team but my commander died because the Stupid spider got a good roll and ate him. I watched some videos and they verbatim said Machaka is a bad faction. So I dunno, do the developers do buffs? I don't want to give up on my boys. Also if anyone has any tips, much appreciated.
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Zymeth Feb 9, 2019 @ 9:44am 
There is a balance mod (unfinished). You can find it pinned in its channel in discord hounds. Here is inv link : https://discord.gg/JTen2N
It is a work in progress (you can find changes too). Other than that you may want to try EA Machaka too. With current changes for MA Machaka it makes this nation too strong imo. Also, blood surge is.. very strong bless to say the least ; you may want to try it.
Stiupid tag gives a chance to stand or attack randomly, but they act normally too.
Do not place commanders around your stiupid things.
Devs do update this game, it is said that next update will be about balance, but it is hard to tell for sure and when it will come.
ÆtherNomad Feb 9, 2019 @ 10:39am 
Yea, when it comes to balance you generally have to lean on mods, because the devs generally don't do much for balance themselves. However there is no universally accepted balance mod (but in my opinion it's a good thing).
✏pencils✏ Feb 9, 2019 @ 7:20pm 
EA Machaka has the Bouda, one of the best mages in the game. They can shapeshift into a stealthy hyena!
nosy Feb 9, 2019 @ 10:45pm 
I haven't played as MA Machaka in an mp game, but with the magic paths they get I'd lean towards the nature alteration spells swarm/wooden warriors/mass protection/creeping doom. Basically summon lots of bugs and give your crappy troops decent protection

You also get really cheap short bows (pygmy's) that pair up nicely with flaming arrows (Enchantment 4). To cast it you need at least an F2 mage, who can then cast phoenix power (conjuration 3) and then spend 2 fire gems to cast it. Ideally you'd have an F3 or F4 mage for the job

Summoning full sized fire elementals is probably a worthwhile way to spend fire gems too (conjuration 5), and generally spamming skeletons is pretty good if you can bring enough death mages to make it effective (enchantment 5)
sunbeam Feb 10, 2019 @ 5:29am 
I haven't really played EA Machaka much, but I used to tinker with MA Machaka a bit.

The problem with MA Machaka is mainly the mages. Sure the troops are either awkwar/suck/both maybe, but the biggie is the mages.

The Sorceress either needs to be recruit anywhere, or get enough paths to be useful in combat. The Black Sorcerer needs the same, well to warrant his cap only/STR status.

MA Machaka has too many units that need to be recruited in the capitol. The Bane Spider and Assassins might be useful, but again it's all cap only.

And then we have the curious progression from EA Machaka. Relatively lightly armored troops in EA, with recruitable elephants. But in MA they get heavily armored units and no elephants. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. - Along with exactly how Arcoscephale somehow winds up with elephants.

Would make more sense to me to see lightly armored MA Machaka, with good War Elephants. My two cents anyway.

Or I guess you could make the Black Hunters as kick ass as Zhayedans without doing anything else. If they are going to cost as much, they ought to actually be useful. As is, they just aren't worth recruiting.
ÆtherNomad Feb 10, 2019 @ 5:48am 
LA Arcoscephale getting elephants makes perfect sense, the Conqueror took new lands near Bandar Log for the nation, and there are elephants there.
sunbeam Feb 10, 2019 @ 5:52am 
Yeah, Alexander didn't make it any further than Pakistan as far as I know. If there is any historical account of any of his successor states using elephants it's news to me.

Let the wonkery begin.
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Althaea Feb 10, 2019 @ 6:11am 
Originally posted by sunbeam:
Yeah, Alexander didn't make it any further than Pakistan as far as I know. If there is any historical account of any of his successor states using elephants it's news to me.

Let the wonkery begin.

The Seleucids are famous for it.
sunbeam Feb 10, 2019 @ 6:26am 
?

The guys that ran Israel/Lebanon for a bit?

Hmmmm interesting.

https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/War_elephant/

Assuming this is correct, War Elephants were used in a lot more situations than I would have thought.

And you could just as easily give elephants to the Roman flavored nations as well, from the sound of it.

And T'ien Chi even, the later ones:

" The Mongols faced war-elephants in Khorazm, Burma, Vietnam and India throughout the 13th century. [4] Despite their unsuccessful campaigns in Vietnam and India, the Mongols defeated the war elephants outside Samarkand by using catapults and mangonels, and in Burma by showering arrows from their famous composite bow. [4] Genghis and Kublai both retained captured elephants as part of their entourage. [4] Another central Asian invader, Timur faced similar challenges a century later. In 1398 Timur's army faced more than one hundred Indian elephants in battle and almost lost because of the fear they caused amongst his troops. Historical accounts say that the Timurids ultimately won by employing an ingenious strategy: Timur tied flaming straw to the back of his camels before the charge. The smoke made the camels run forward, scaring the elephants, who crushed their own troops in their efforts to retreat. Another account of the campaign reports that Timur used oversized caltrops to halt the elephants' charge. [4] Later, the Timurid leader used the captured animals against the Ottoman Empire."

I stand corrected, but other than Hannibal, these things don't seem to be associated with military events around the Mediteranean - at least in the popular mind.
forrestomintero Feb 10, 2019 @ 6:43am 
Originally posted by sunbeam:
Yeah, Alexander didn't make it any further than Pakistan as far as I know. If there is any historical account of any of his successor states using elephants it's news to me.

Let the wonkery begin.

Didn't alexander get turned back when he made it to india? My understanding was that he made it to india, fought the locals there, lost due to elephant cav, and then gave up.
sunbeam Feb 10, 2019 @ 6:54am 
Originally posted by forrestomintero:

Didn't alexander get turned back when he made it to india? My understanding was that he made it to india, fought the locals there, lost due to elephant cav, and then gave up.

Yeah. I'm not clear when he was assassinated. His supply lines had to be pretty long at that point, so I always assumed he just ran out of steam, then got killed.

But from that link I posted:

"The first confrontation between Europeans and the Persian war elephants occurred at Alexander's Battle of Gaugamela (331 BC), where the Persians deployed fifteen elephants. These elephants were placed at the centre of the Persian line and made such an impression on Alexander's army that he felt the need to sacrifice to the God of Fear the night before the battle - but according to some sources the elephants ultimately failed to deploy in the final battle owing to their long march the day before. Alexander won resoundingly at Gaugamela, but was deeply impressed by the enemy elephants and took these first fifteen into his own army, adding to their number during his capture of the rest of Persia.
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By the time Alexander reached the borders of India five years later, he had a substantial number of elephants under his own command.
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Looking further east again, however, Alexander could see that the kings of the Nanda Empire and Gangaridai could deploy between 3,000 and 6,000 war elephants. Such a force was many times larger than the number of elephants employed by the Persians and Greeks, which probably discouraged Alexander's army and effectively halted their advance into India. On his return, Alexander established a force of elephants to guard his palace at Babylon, and created the post of elephantarch to lead his elephant units."

Probably more going on at that point than just elephants though.

Thing is, these things had to have high upkeep costs. If horses were an expensive thing to keep up for Western Armies, the cost of elephants must have been mind boggling.

Incidentally I had no idea the Persians ever used elephants. I sure don't associate elephans with the Parthians for example.
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forrestomintero Feb 10, 2019 @ 6:57am 
Same here tbh. I thought war elephants were mostly an India thing
Mormacil Feb 10, 2019 @ 7:01am 
War elephants were used from Iran to China and everywhere in between. I also feel LA Arcoscephale heavily draws from the Bactrians.The only region that natively had elephants but didn't extensively use them in battle was Africa. Because African mega fauna tended to be significantly smaller. But even there the usage of war elehants is known in the east.
Originally posted by forrestomintero:
Same here tbh. I thought war elephants were mostly an India thing
Check out Cambodia, they supposedly fielded siege weaponry on elephants.
Last edited by Mormacil; Feb 10, 2019 @ 7:02am
✏pencils✏ Feb 10, 2019 @ 7:28am 
Getting a little off topic but alexander's army turned around when they did because they were tired of campaigning. Alexander died sick in babylon, unclear if he was poisoned or if it was a natural illness. He had lost his best friend not very long before his death.
protokevin Feb 10, 2019 @ 6:44pm 
I loved MA Machaka in Dom4 (my first MP game was with them so a lot of good memories), but I haven't tried them in Dom5 yet and I get a little bit mixed up between what changes were introduced in Dom5 and what changes were from when I tried playing them in a modded Dom4 game.

The main reason I like them is their magic paths and cross paths. It makes them feel like very versatile battlemages. Want to focus on fire evocations for this battle? Boost accuracy with eagle eyes first. Opponent bringing evocation spamming of his own? Summon corpse candles to distract his mages. Need magma? Yes, yes you do.

You can definitely make them work, and for me a lot of the fun is in getting them to work, but you might just have to try harder than a person playing certain other nations.

The sacred spider guys are fun, and good at the start or for small engagements, but a lot can go wrong with them in big battles so you don't want to rely on them during those. For big battles you want a line of hoplites (can be slow to mass, and can suffer worryingly high attrition rates, I found boosting morale to be worthwhile on them) possibly backed by a row of web spitting spider knights (especially if fighting high defence units), archers if fighting relatively lightly armoured guys, and mages, always mages. (Be sure to protect your mages if facing fliers, and be sure to not use your sacred spider guys to protect your mages!)
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