talk about spirit sight v2.0

[Andrej_S.]

I have thought, should not the creatures with spirit sight have the unsurroundable ability?

So, if you think about it, they do not use the eyes or other organs of vision, the same monolith - in fact sees it with all its spirit, looks everywhere...

[Zonk]

Spirit sight just means they can see the 'spiritual essence' of things, and so can see invisible beings and are not affected by darkness. They generally still use eyes, I think you might be thinking about blindfighters.

Even for blindfighters, I don't think unsurroundable always makes sense - you might only be able to 'see' things in front of you with your sonar/alternate sense, OR you might be able to 'see' all around you but still not have the ability to coordinate well enough to negate harassment penalties.

The unsurroundable ability is usually given to units with extra heads (not just eyes - so I guess the idea you also need brains for proper defensive coordination) or unusual body plans (like the Vastness).

[hanssverre]

That being said, what units does 'spirit sight' actually see which normal don't?

[DasaKamov]

Any unit with the "Invisible" tag (such as Horrors); units with Spirit Sight also ignore the effects of Darkness, like Zonk said.

[alexsa2015sa]

Originally posted by hanssverre:

That being said, what units does 'spirit sight' actually see which normal don't?

The invisible units. These are Keres, Succubus and all Heliophagii. Also two of the Horrors.

Edit: I personally don't quite understand the reasoning that Spirit Sight automatically offers perfect darkvision. You can see the spritiual essence all you want but it won't make you not stumble upon a spiritually non-existent rocks in the darkness. Although if every rock has a spiritual essence, that works out - it might be just the 'realism' speaking.

[Andrej_S.]

Originally posted by alexsa2015sa:

Originally posted by hanssverre:

That being said, what units does 'spirit sight' actually see which normal don't?

The invisible units. These are Keres, Succubus and all Heliophagii. Also two of the Horrors.

Edit: I personally don't quite understand the reasoning that Spirit Sight automatically offers perfect darkvision. You can see the spritiual essence all you want but it won't make you not stumble upon a spiritually non-existent rocks in the darkness. Although if every rock has a spiritual essence, that works out - it might be just the 'realism' speaking.

I think this mechanics is somewhat similar to the vision of the Nazgul from LOTR, where they saw in another dimension, where there are no longer any material things, only spiritual ones, therefore spirit sight implies dark vision.

[Zonk]

Originally posted by alexsa2015sa:

Edit: I personally don't quite understand the reasoning that Spirit Sight automatically offers perfect darkvision. You can see the spritiual essence all you want but it won't make you not stumble upon a spiritually non-existent rocks in the darkness.

It makes perfect sense when you remember that (somehow)' Dominions battlefields don't really have obstacles other than fort walls.

The one case where spirit sight shouldn't work is detecting something that is both mindless & invisible in the darkness - but that seems like an extremely rare situation.