What is the Difference Between Dom 4 and Dom 5?

[Swisspike]

I looked..I really did, but I couldn't find a listing of the differences between the two.

I own Dom 4, and didn't play it as much as I should have. I am interested in Dom 5..but before I purchase it, SHOULD I purchase it, or stick with Dom 4? :<)

[Smiling Spectre]

There are about one such theme each month arisen in forums. :)
Main difference is simultaneous turns, I believe.

[BoboYagga]

And bless effects. Dom 5 is superior in my opinion. Graphics barely change, but there are more nation's and more interesting interactions.

[jojeck]

The Illwinter website has a good list of the major changes and more have been added since the launch. http://www.illwinter.com/dom5/changes.html

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Swisspike:

I looked..I really did, but I couldn't find a listing of the differences between the two.

I own Dom 4, and didn't play it as much as I should have. I am interested in Dom 5..but before I purchase it, SHOULD I purchase it, or stick with Dom 4? :<)

Here you go:
http://www.illwinter.com/dom5/changes.html
https://steamcommunity.com/app/722060/discussions/0/1640915206453534502/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/722060/discussions/0/1640915206446665166/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/722060/discussions/0/1696043806554168628/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/722060/discussions/0/1693795812290878281/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/722060/discussions/0/2860219962087973273/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/722060/discussions/0/1621724915775353813/

[wilson.max]

This isn't directly a response to the OP's question, which was answered quite well by Mormacil's links, but...

I feel like Illwinter makes a new Dominions version pretty much when they want to alter fundamental mechanics and balance. E.g. you couldn't have added simultaneous turns in a Dom4 patch because everybody would scream bloody murder about how that changes strategic balance, but when you're making a different game it's okay. (Anyone who likes the old rules better can just keep playing the old game--it still exists, whereas old versions of Dom4 sort of cease to exist when a new Dom4 patch comes out.) Even Dom3->Dom4 stuff like rewriting the Invulnerability spell from E3 to D3 and making magical weapons bypass Invulnerability would probably have been seen negatively by those who liked the old mechanics, especially in the middle of a game. (Can you imagine losing access to Invulnerability on your E3 caster on the same turn you have a big battle?)

And then once they start fiddling around with one rules change, they get ideas for a bunch of other fun rules changes (Cataclysm mode! customized blesses! recruitment points! pretenders can sometimes gain magic when dying instead of losing it!) and do those as well, and that inspires content changes like new nations and creatures and abilities (like Unsurroundable and works-anywhere-Immortality) and changes to old content (cheaper Wraith Swords). But if it were JUST new abilities and content changes without rules changes, I suspect these things would just be done as patches instead of as new games.

In computer programming terms, Illwinter uses semantic versioning. They increment the game's major version number when they add breaking changes. :)

[Swisspike]

Originally posted by wilson.max:

This isn't directly a response to the OP's question, which was answered quite well by Mormacil's links, but...

I feel like Illwinter makes a new Dominions version pretty much when they want to alter fundamental mechanics and balance. E.g. you couldn't have added simultaneous turns in a Dom4 patch because everybody would scream bloody murder about how that changes strategic balance, but when you're making a different game it's okay. (Anyone who likes the old rules better can just keep playing the old game--it still exists, whereas old versions of Dom4 sort of cease to exist when a new Dom4 patch comes out.) Even Dom3->Dom4 stuff like rewriting the Invulnerability spell from E3 to D3 and making magical weapons bypass Invulnerability would probably have been seen negatively by those who liked the old mechanics, especially in the middle of a game. (Can you imagine losing access to Invulnerability on your E3 caster on the same turn you have a big battle?)

And then once they start fiddling around with one rules change, they get ideas for a bunch of other fun rules changes (Cataclysm mode! customized blesses! recruitment points! pretenders can sometimes gain magic when dying instead of losing it!) and do those as well, and that inspires content changes like new nations and creatures and abilities (like Unsurroundable and works-anywhere-Immortality) and changes to old content (cheaper Wraith Swords). But if it were JUST new abilities and content changes without rules changes, I suspect these things would just be done as patches instead of as new games.

In computer programming terms, Illwinter uses semantic versioning. They increment the game's major version number when they add breaking changes. :)

Well stated. Thank you. I will go grab a steam card and surf on over to purchase this semantic version!

[Teralitha]

I have Dom 4, and I see no reason to get Dom 5. Big chunk of money for a game that has little difference.

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

I have Dom 4, and I see no reason to get Dom 5. Big chunk of money for a game that has little difference.

http://www.illwinter.com/dom5/changes.html
Except all these changes, more nations and a bigger multiplayer community :)

[Silence]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

I have Dom 4, and I see no reason to get Dom 5. Big chunk of money for a game that has little difference.

Just a better game overrall. I don't know anyone that played Dom 5 and got back to Dom 4. Everything is just better.

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Silence:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

I have Dom 4, and I see no reason to get Dom 5. Big chunk of money for a game that has little difference.

Just a better game overrall. I don't know anyone that played Dom 5 and got back to Dom 4. Everything is just better.

Well of course they dont. They spent all that money, it would be a waste. Im not missing much.

[Silence]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Originally posted by Silence:

Just a better game overrall. I don't know anyone that played Dom 5 and got back to Dom 4. Everything is just better.

Well of course they dont. They spent all that money, it would be a waste. Im not missing much.

I tried to play Dom 4 again. It was ugly, less interesting, less fun. I don't care about the money.

[Teralitha]

Good for you. Im still not wasting my money on it.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Good for you. Im still not wasting my money on it.

Good for you, too, but not sure why you feel the need to come into these threads and proclaim your continued refusal to purchase Dominions 5.

[Teralitha]

I was responding to the OP

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

I was responding to the OP

You never explained why he should or shouldn't buy Dom5, merely why you didn't.