should i buy it or 2

[Xyteno Sane]

i know that there is a neverwinter nights 2. not on steam but i know it exist. should i buy the second or should i buy this one? i just want to play wizard/necromancer in solo for fun and kill a bunch of monster in a dnd world and maybe have fun playing a cool main story wich should i buy. if they are essencially the same when it come to gameplay and the diffrence is graphics and that the story is not the same i would probably buy this one since it's on steam.

[DrLoboto]

I think both are worth having, but I like the first one a little better. Differences apart from graphics are:

- NWN is based on D&D 3.0 rules, NWN 2 is based on D&D 3.5 (similar enough but not quite the same).

- In NWN you control only your main character. Your companions take orders from you (or ignore them, sometimes), their number, access to inventory, tactical options etc. may be limited, depending on the campaign or module you play. In NWN2 you can have full control of the entire party and take over every companion as if it they were a main character as well.

- NWN2 is more flexible concerning the UI. It has a quick cast bar that you can toggle on and off, for example, and you can move UI elements freely and put them where you like, while in the first NWN you have to put your spells into the general, limited quickbars or use clunky radial menus every time you want to cast, and most UI elements are fixed and can't be moved. Personally, I find NWN's resizable mini-map superior to NWN2's fullscreen map vs fixed-sized mini-map though. The camera is also better in NWN compared to NWN2. NWN2's camera can be quite inconvenient without hacking the game, so you can zoom out more.

- The official campaigns are a matter of taste, but my impression is that a majority of NWN fans aren't particularly fond of either and prefer the expansions (particularly Hordes of the Underdark for NWN or Mask of the Betrayer for NWN2) and standalone user-made campaigns/adventures (called "modules"), many of which are more popular than the official campaigns, or online play on persistent worlds, also made by other users. Those who prefer NWN2's main campaign to NWN's often point to more interesting interactions with your companions, which are a bit more memorable in NWN2. IMO, both main campaigns are a bit generic and overstay their welcome. YMMV. The wealth of free user-made quality adventures is incredible though, for both.

- NWN EE goes on sale often, for high discounts, NWN2 very, very rarely, and only for medium d8scounts.

- Official support for NWN EE has ended by now, but the game still receives patches with new features from time to time, because fans and Beamdog employees still work on improving it in their free time. NWN2 is as it is, there are mods, but it doesn't receive any patches anymore, and there is (and likely will be) no enhanced version.

- Overall, since the first NWN is older, received an EE and seems to be a bit more popular (and from what I hear, the toolset/editor is a bit easier to work with for new users), there is more user-made content for NWN than for NWN2. But both games do offer a lot of it.

- If you like to customize the looks of your character: NWN has a fun mix and match system, where e.g. your right sleeve or shoulder pad could be different from the left one, your top clothing items different from the bottom etc. whereas in NWN2 I believe modding your clothes is less flexible and you can only choose between full outfits. But I may be wrong.

So both games have their advantages and shortcimings, but I'd say if graphics don't matter to you that much, you can't go wrong with buying NWN EE. And if you become an avid fan, you can still give NWN2 a try later.

[wendigo211]

If you want to play a mage, NWN2; that game actually has working prestige classes for casters. That said, it's not a part of GoG's current winter sale. However, it does go on sale and IIRC I got it for under 10 CAD.

[cnroddball]

Okay, so, NWN has some small quality of life details that NWN2 did not get. For example, in NWN if you transform into something else, such as one of the wild shapes that the druid class gets, NPCs will (more often than not) actually refer to you as if you were that creature. If you transformed into a bear, NPCs would be like "What does an animal such as you want with me?" But if you do it in NWN2 they'd just KNOW your characters actual race, as if you weren't transformed at all. In NWN, if your character has less than 10 intelligence, NPCs also actually recognize that your character is a total moron and will treat you as such. NWN2 has no such thing. This kinda thing is important to ME. I think it provides a better gameplay experience.

[Phoenix]

Original NWN vs NWN 2, 1 was always seen as slightly better. My biggest gripe with 2, was even with expansions, you could only go level 30. I still play it now and again, but EE is awesome.
NWN EE has so many qol changes that it has made the gap much bigger. However, I would still say 2 is worth playing at some point, but if you want a starting point, this is it.

[Sogreth]

Don;t get either. Go for BG3.

NWN is incredibility boring after like 2 hours in.

[cnroddball]

NWN is very fun. It has endless hours of replayability. Before I got the Enhanced Edition, I'd sunk THOUSANDS of hours into the Diamond Edition. I'm 568 hours into the Enhanced edition now and it's only been an even better experience.

NWN2 unfortunately doesn't have the Shifter class.
NWN unfortunately doesn't have the Warlock or Hellfire Warlock classes.

Wizard is pretty cool either way. Getting to learn any and all wizard spells from a scroll is kinda OP. And if necromancy is what you're after, both NWN and NWN2 have the Pale Master class. The difference is cosmetic. In NWN, one of your character's arms becomes all boney when you get a certain amount of levels into Pale Master. NWN2 doesn't do that. It's also pretty easy to make your on items so if you want to make your character look more undead, it's not all that difficult. You can also just change your character model to that of one of the undead creatures in the game: liches, various kinds of zombies, a demilich, vampire, various kinds of skeletons, etc.

[cnroddball]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Originally posted by Luna:

Don't mind this guy ^^. I proved him wrong on BG3 forums as he had no evidence to support what he was gassing off, so he starting attacking. I unsubscribed and now he's following me around forums like a lost puppy.

Don’t mind her. She got called out on the BG3 forums by a few people, threw a tantrum and starting calling it a “kiddy game” because she couldn’t understand how multiclassing worked.

People tried to help her but she pretty much flipped them off. “Ignored” them and ran off.

Look, I know whether or not a game is good is often subjective, but if the only reason you're here is to trash the game, you're genuinely in the wrong place. Frankly, you clearly haven't given NWN (or NWN2 for that matter) a fair shake if you've only invested 2 hours into it. You really can't experience the full breadth of the game in just 2 hours.

[Yagger]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Don;t get either. Go for BG3.

NWN is incredibility boring after like 2 hours in.

not all opinions should be considered

[Snakeborne]

As someone who bought his only a month or so again, I would definitely recommend getting it. I bought the Enhanced addition and having incredible fun with all the modules - both official and workshop. While it doesn't have the graphics of BG3, it has 10x the game play. Far more enjoyable. Edit: If NWN 2 ever appears back on Steam I will pick that one up as well.

[Phoenix]

All lies, but gotta love the not understanding how multiclassing works. I am on Underworld, which has been down for a year or 2, and even then I couldn't get in. Not played there in 2 - 3 years.

Now it's been updated and is a force to be reconed with. Has lvl 60 cap and as far as I can see, no limit on how many classes you can multiclass and PRC to boot. I have a monk, wiz, sd, aa to test and It still shows I can take more classes. This is a dream come true.

(Now if only they'd remove the ecl from prc races so we can play virtually any race with any class without the penalty.)

Also now, you don't have to go to a room to take levels 40 - 60, you just level as normal.

[cnroddball]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Right? Why would she go over to other forums and start trashing the game AND the people who play it? Very odd behaviour.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And frankly, you're not making a good case for BG3 by coming over to the NWN discussion to just say "Nah NWN boring. Proof: bruh, trust me." Instead, maybe just let people decide for themselves?

Originally posted by Yagger:

All opinions should be considered. There's a reason we have a review system here.

Then leave your review in the "reviews" section of the store page. This isn't the place for it. Even then, you haven't even made a good case for your position. You're only stating it as some unproven point of fact. The OP asked about NWN and NWN2 right here in the NWN discussion. They didn't ask about BG3. Keep in mind one of the oldest forum rules in the history of the internet: stay on topic.

[ayrtep]

I prefer NWN2, game-play and graphics are better all round.

However it is easier to develop modules for NWN so there is more variety there, but there are still a lot of quality NWN2 modules. Also EE has fixed a lot of the original NWN's bugs.

NWN and NWN2 both have bad and great official modules. Hordes of the Underdark and Mask of the Betrayer are excellent, both worth replaying decades later. Don't bother with the original NWN campaign.

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Don;t get either. Go for BG3.
NWN is incredibility boring after like 2 hours in.

BG3 has shallow character development inherited from D&D 5th edition. However PWOtR is a good alternative, it has almost the same game-play as NWN2 and is still being developed and supported.

[Wizard of Woz]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Originally posted by cnroddball:

Two wrongs don't make a right. And frankly, you're not making a good case for BG3 by coming over to the NWN discussion to just say "Nah NWN boring. Proof: bruh, trust me." Instead, maybe just let people decide for themselves?

Then leave your review in the "reviews" section of the store page. This isn't the place for it. Even then, you haven't even made a good case for your position. You're only stating it as some unproven point of fact. The OP asked about NWN and NWN2 right here in the NWN discussion. They didn't ask about BG3. Keep in mind one of the oldest forum rules in the history of the internet: stay on topic.

What two wrongs? I'm 100% right, soooo

And I was staying on topic. Some troll decided to derail.

I said to avoid both games, and gave an alternative instead. Still staying on topic :)

Also, please stop derailing this thread. You are becoming just as bad as the see you next tuesday known as Luna.

Originally posted by ayrtep:

BG3 has shallow character development inherited from D&D 5th edition. However PWOtR is a good alternative, it has almost the same game-play as NWN2 and is still being developed and supported.

False. It has loads more characters development than any NWN games.

Your last statement proves that you are either a troll or ignorant. So BG3 let's you multiclass up to 8 classes? Because nwn does. In Nwn you can go up to lvl 40, BG3 is something like 12. Nwn has prestige classes, BG3 doesn't.
Basically 5e has been dumbed down for the masses. You must be thier poster child.

[cnroddball]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

What two wrongs? I'm 100% right, soooo

And I was staying on topic. Some troll decided to derail.

I said to avoid both games, and gave an alternative instead. Still staying on topic :)

Also, please stop derailing this thread. You are becoming just as bad as the see you next tuesday known as Luna.

You're bringing your feud from the BG3 forums over to the NWN forums. That's where you did something wrong. The only reasons you're here are to feud with Luna, and to trash NWN because you like a different game more. If you hate the game so much, stop wasting your time here and go back to the BG3 forum.

Originally posted by Sogreth:

False. It has loads more characters development than any NWN games.

Prove it. Because until you do, it's a lie.

[Wizard of Woz]

You have yet to respond with an actual argument. Which discredits everything you say.