nwn help info? wiki is no help

[Asenath]

ok so I was searching for info on what all items in nwn 1 that have a alignment requirement but only thing I can find is nwn items in general the nwn wiki's have nothing anyone know of a site that helps/shows the alignment items?

[Andreas]

i recommend this
https://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
https://neverwintervault.org/
https://old.reddit.com/r/neverwinternights/
https://forums.beamdog.com/categories/neverwinter-nights

[u82manny]

TBH, alignment is just a tag on an item that can just as easily not be added to an item. There's no significant benefit just because it has a specific alignment requirement, instead it's merely a restriction.

If you're searching because you're modding, then that's another story, and the poster prior has some good links.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by ˹Anastiel˼:

i recommend this :neverwintereye:
https://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
https://neverwintervault.org/
https://old.reddit.com/r/neverwinternights/
https://forums.beamdog.com/categories/neverwinter-nights

I thought the beamdog site was for the EE versions of bg,bga,iwd,nwn,nwn 2 and I thought neverwintervault was a mod page like nexus?

[u82manny]

beamdog has forums where info can be found, they are the current developers.

the vault and the wiki are unofficial sites that have quite a bit of content for NWN 1.69 and NWN:EE, they are community sites, similar to the Reddit.

[Sticky Wicket]

Originally posted by u82manny:

TBH, alignment is just a tag on an item that can just as easily not be added to an item. There's no significant benefit just because it has a specific alignment requirement, instead it's merely a restriction.

Alignment restrictions are mainly because of game lore and ruleset reasons, so dismissing them as *arbitary tags* is not correct. Of course people can chose to ignore such things or overwrite them but speaking as someone who has played this game for many many years, they do add a lot of immersion, diversity and rp-type quality to the game. It also stops the practice of people just making the same ultimate meta-builds.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by Sticky Wicket:

Originally posted by u82manny:

TBH, alignment is just a tag on an item that can just as easily not be added to an item. There's no significant benefit just because it has a specific alignment requirement, instead it's merely a restriction.

Alignment restrictions are mainly because of game lore and ruleset reasons, so dismissing them as *arbitary tags* is not correct. Of course people can chose to ignore such things or overwrite them but speaking as someone who has played this game for many many years, they do add a lot of immersion, diversity and rp-type quality to the game. It also stops the practice of people just making the same ultimate meta-builds.

talking about immersion neverwinter mmo and ddo is lacking the immersion no Alignment nor Alignment required equipment and neverwinter has no playable druid class if I had to rate which of the game series is the best to the worst in order I would have to say (best nwn,nwn2 and the worst neverwinter mmo with a negetive reveiw)

[u82manny]

Originally posted by Sticky Wicket:

Originally posted by u82manny:

TBH, alignment is just a tag on an item that can just as easily not be added to an item. There's no significant benefit just because it has a specific alignment requirement, instead it's merely a restriction.

Alignment restrictions are mainly because of game lore and ruleset reasons, so dismissing them as *arbitary tags* is not correct. Of course people can chose to ignore such things or overwrite them but speaking as someone who has played this game for many many years, they do add a lot of immersion, diversity and rp-type quality to the game. It also stops the practice of people just making the same ultimate meta-builds.

As the OP elaborated more, then yes it does seem that they are looking for alignment items from a player perspective, not a modder perspective. There's definitely nothing wrong with that, but in the scope of the original campaign, the items are few and have zero impact on the story, as characters aren't punished/rewarded for alignment choices or any alignment items they posess. If a "good" quest isn't available because the character is evil, then there's likely an "evil" quest to balance that. In this game, being good-aligned, and having a good-aligned item just for the sake of having it, isn't immersion, it's hoarding. Being the "Hero of Neverwinter" generally means good aligned or lawful/chaotic neutral, it breaks immersion to be the hero and yet chaotic evil, for instance.

I've played NWN since the 2002 release and in my experience, alignment doesn't matter unless you're on a server where alignment is made to matter more, such as a roleplay server. The OP is looking for the items in the original campaign, though, and my point was that ultimately it won't be worth the effort. It's a video game, meta-builds are going to happen regardless, so why be at a disadvantage to other players when you can be effective and not drag down the group? Video games are also a lot less forgiving, if a character doesn't have the umph! to get it done because they lack effectiveness for the sake of "immersion", then they may struggle to actually progress the story/campaign. Alignment is not greater than Story Progress.

Even in the TTRPG D&D which I've been a part of since '85, alignment was arbritrary simply because being forced into a single mindset (CG, LE, TN, etc) made for very one-dimensional characters. D&D is the only system that used a stiff alignment system and they've toned that down in the latest edition(5e).

With all that said, the OP might be able to make use of this GameFAQ that lists all ingame items for NWN, and further down it describes each item including alignment restrictions.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/188666-neverwinter-nights/faqs/24467

[Asenath]

Originally posted by u82manny:

Originally posted by Sticky Wicket:

Alignment restrictions are mainly because of game lore and ruleset reasons, so dismissing them as *arbitary tags* is not correct. Of course people can chose to ignore such things or overwrite them but speaking as someone who has played this game for many many years, they do add a lot of immersion, diversity and rp-type quality to the game. It also stops the practice of people just making the same ultimate meta-builds.

As the OP elaborated more, then yes it does seem that they are looking for alignment items from a player perspective, not a modder perspective. There's definitely nothing wrong with that, but in the scope of the original campaign, the items are few and have zero impact on the story, as characters aren't punished/rewarded for alignment choices or any alignment items they posess. If a "good" quest isn't available because the character is evil, then there's likely an "evil" quest to balance that. In this game, being good-aligned, and having a good-aligned item just for the sake of having it, isn't immersion, it's hoarding. Being the "Hero of Neverwinter" generally means good aligned or lawful/chaotic neutral, it breaks immersion to be the hero and yet chaotic evil, for instance.

I've played NWN since the 2002 release and in my experience, alignment doesn't matter unless you're on a server where alignment is made to matter more, such as a roleplay server. The OP is looking for the items in the original campaign, though, and my point was that ultimately it won't be worth the effort. It's a video game, meta-builds are going to happen regardless, so why be at a disadvantage to other players when you can be effective and not drag down the group? Video games are also a lot less forgiving, if a character doesn't have the umph! to get it done because they lack effectiveness for the sake of "immersion", then they may struggle to actually progress the story/campaign. Alignment is not greater than Story Progress.

Even in the TTRPG D&D which I've been a part of since '85, alignment was arbritrary simply because being forced into a single mindset (CG, LE, TN, etc) made for very one-dimensional characters. D&D is the only system that used a stiff alignment system and they've toned that down in the latest edition(5e).

With all that said, the OP might be able to make use of this GameFAQ that lists all ingame items for NWN, and further down it describes each item including alignment restrictions.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/188666-neverwinter-nights/faqs/24467

what about class weapons? as in all the forgotten realms series there is no worlock class but if a neverwinter worlock is suposed to be the same as a wizard class they should be able to use a staff not a mace so you can clearly see they made a warlock only use a mace never a staff that part is not immersive and the ranger should use a bow/crossbow only and the rogue should use daggers and bows crossbows as in all other forgotten realms games so neverwinter is only part imersive but messed up.

[u82manny]

Originally posted by gypsyblackmore:

what about class weapons? as in all the forgotten realms series there is no worlock class but if a neverwinter worlock is suposed to be the same as a wizard class they should be able to use a staff not a mace so you can clearly see they made a warlock only use a mace never a staff that part is not immersive and the ranger should use a bow/crossbow only and the rogue should use daggers and bows crossbows as in all other forgotten realms games so neverwinter is only part imersive but messed up.

Warlock has never been an official class in NWN or in NWN:EE. If you are using a mod that includes the Warlock class, then it's best to seek out the developer of the mod and ask them.


In regards to immersion, You and I can both pick up a longsword IRL, our proficiency/skill with said weapon would depend on our experiences with it, or something that behaves similarly. We'd very likely be schooled hard by someone who has trained with such a weapon for years.

The point being: items, alignments, classes, and skills are all meta-game concepts and they can take away from immersion if they become the player's focus. I'd recommend shifting focus to the actual story that's happening(if you seek actual immersion) because the player character may be a driving force but it isn't the only force at work, and those forces are greater than some numbers or words in the description of an item or such.


Perhaps give Tabletop RPGs a try, as video games are far more restrictive because of coding and AI limitations. If you're of the mind where you want to be a Warlock who uses a greatsword and a crossbow, then you'd actually be able to do that, whether in specific genre systems(D&D, Pathfinder, etc.), or in generic systems(GURPS, Chaosium Basic RPS, Tri-Stat dX, etc.).

[Sticky Wicket]

Originally posted by gypsyblackmore:

Originally posted by Sticky Wicket:

Alignment restrictions are mainly because of game lore and ruleset reasons, so dismissing them as *arbitary tags* is not correct. Of course people can chose to ignore such things or overwrite them but speaking as someone who has played this game for many many years, they do add a lot of immersion, diversity and rp-type quality to the game. It also stops the practice of people just making the same ultimate meta-builds.

talking about immersion neverwinter mmo and ddo is lacking the immersion no Alignment nor Alignment required equipment and neverwinter has no playable druid class if I had to rate which of the game series is the best to the worst in order I would have to say (best nwn,nwn2 and the worst neverwinter mmo with a negetive reveiw)

I'd have to agree with you.

The original NWN was my favourite game for a long time way back when. It has it's faults of course, but most definitely as you say the best.

NWN2 did not really add anything of value, better graphics is about it, at the cost of dumbed down and nonsense play mechanics. The expansions and so-called updates only made matters worse.

Neverwinter MMO is fun for a short while, but very shallow, and has no staying power as such, obviously trying very hard to be *cool* but has no real substance.

It would seem as though we are in agreement about alignment based weapons and alignment based restrictions being an interesting mechanic that adds divergent play, and one that actually could do with developing. The original campaign did not have as much as it could of had.