I'll skip this and wait for NWN2

[Demon of Elru]

I always thought NWN2 was the better game and played it a lot more than this one. At least this is being remastered, I assume NWN2 will follow in a few years.

[Ixoliptis]

Both NWN1 and NWN2 are good games.

Personally I prefer NWN1 because it's a very good (and rare) hybrid of cRPG and ARPG genres, plus the countless mods can extend the gametime of a playthrough by months.

NWN2 is a solid cRPG game, but not the best in its genre (PST,IWD and POE are the kings for me).

[Messsucher]

How is NWN ARPG?

[Coldhands]

^Single character, lots of combat.

[Bishop]

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

If you just compare both the advantages are clear. nwn2 deliveres:
+ good story for OC, amazing story for MotB. And lets be honest nwn OC is pile of trash, made with a sole purpose to demonstrate game engine's capabilities for module creators. SoU and HotU are actually decent, but still not that good.
+ full party, like it should be. Now we can discuss whatever these npcs are deep or shallow but they are there. And game is designed for playing in full party.
+ 3.5 edition over 3.0. And yeah difference is pretty huge. It's far more balanced, more complex, better delivered and with a good chunk of actually interesting PrC's. I hope you enjoy pale masters with halved spell progression because that's your sole prestige class option for dedicated spellcaster in nwn (unless they'll add something new in EE).
+ overall gameplay improvements (and i really hope EE will fix these in nwn): movable interface elements, ability to rotate camera without holding midle mouse button, ability to keep these damn battle stances active all the time, quick spellbook access , more quicklot panels etc.

Also NWN2 kinda has enhanced edition already. It's called Storm of Zehir. Mechanic wise they really fixed a lot of things that OC did wrong.

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Bishop:

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

Wrong.

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by Bishop:

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

Pretty much, yeah. The full party in NWN2 makes a big difference. And Obsidian is real good at writing an RPG.

[grumpymoose]

Originally posted by Bishop:

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

If you just compare both the advantages are clear. nwn2 deliveres:
+ good story for OC, amazing story for MotB. And lets be honest nwn OC is pile of trash, made with a sole purpose to demonstrate game engine's capabilities for module creators. SoU and HotU are actually decent, but still not that good.
+ full party, like it should be. Now we can discuss whatever these npcs are deep or shallow but they are there. And game is designed for playing in full party.
+ 3.5 edition over 3.0. And yeah difference is pretty huge. It's far more balanced, more complex, better delivered and with a good chunk of actually interesting PrC's. I hope you enjoy pale masters with halved spell progression because that's your sole prestige class option for dedicated spellcaster in nwn (unless they'll add something new in EE).
+ overall gameplay improvements (and i really hope EE will fix these in nwn): movable interface elements, ability to rotate camera without holding midle mouse button, ability to keep these damn battle stances active all the time, quick spellbook access , more quicklot panels etc.

Also NWN2 kinda has enhanced edition already. It's called Storm of Zehir. Mechanic wise they really fixed a lot of things that OC did wrong.

NWN1's toolset is certainly easier to use, and NWN2's toolset is harder to get a handle on - if that's what you mean by better module creation. That said, NWN2's toolset is drastically more powerful, once you understand its ins and outs, than NWN1's toolset.

As someone that likes both games, both games had their ups and downs. Both games had iffy starts with their OCs, but both games followed up those OCs with outstanding offerings like SoU, HotU, MotB and SoZ. They're both well worth playing, as are their expansions, and both toolsets have their place. The full package of both games has given me lots of fun, and lots of tinkering time with both toolsets has given me an appreciation for what they both offer.

As for 3.5, 3.5 is my bread and butter . . . any day of the week, I'll go back to it again and again over 4th or 5th, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with 3.0 - it's entirely functional and I have a blast with it, I'd still take 3.0 over 4th or 5th.

I really don't think it's a competition. There are some personal taste elements at play that separate the preferences one might have toward one or the other, but nothing more than that. NWN2's core technicall issues were fixed long, long ago, and the limitations of NWN1 with companions, and such, really aren't that big of a deal. Both games have their place and I highly encourage people to give NWN and NWN2's full packages a try.

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Coldhands:

Originally posted by Bishop:

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

Pretty much, yeah. The full party in NWN2 makes a big difference. And Obsidian is real good at writing an RPG.

Still wrong.

[Emeraq]

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Originally posted by Coldhands:

Pretty much, yeah. The full party in NWN2 makes a big difference. And Obsidian is real good at writing an RPG.

Still wrong.

That would be your opinion. For me NWN OC may be slightly better than NWN2 OC (they were both bad) but for me the expansions of NWN2 were better than NWN's expansions, yes for me MOTB>HOTU, but not by much.

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Emeraq:

For me NWN OC may be slightly better than NWN2 OC (they were both bad) but for me the expansions of NWN2 were better than NWN's expansions.

That would be your opinion.

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by Emeraq:

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Still wrong.

That would be your opinion. For me NWN OC may be slightly better than NWN2 OC (they were both bad) but for me the expansions of NWN2 were better than NWN's expansions, yes for me MOTB>HOTU, but not by much.

You aren't wrong about Mask of the Betrayer. But then, it's better than a lot of RPGs, even now.

[Emeraq]

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Originally posted by Emeraq:

For me NWN OC may be slightly better than NWN2 OC (they were both bad) but for me the expansions of NWN2 were better than NWN's expansions.

That would be your opinion.

Uh No ♥♥♥♥, I said "for me" which is a clear indicator that it's my opinion. My point regarding the post I quoted of yours still stands, it's ONLY your opinion that previous poster is wrong, personal preference can't be disputed, if the poster feels that Obsidians party play and ability to make an rpg is good, it's not really something you can say they are wrong about. Like them yourself or not, KOTOR2, NWN2, Pillars of Eternity, even Alpha Protocol, are all good RPG's in their own right to many people.

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

Originally posted by Bishop:

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg


-Terrible animations
-Terrible models
-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of bugs
-Terrible camera / UI
-mediocre storylines with terrible endings (also MoTB was a "alright" stand-alone but an horrible sequel while SoZ was....just there...?)


wasn't NWN2 a black spot on obsidian rep untill NV and PoE?

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Emeraq:

Like them yourself or not, KOTOR2, Pillars of Eternity, even Alpha Protocol, are all good RPG's in their own right to many people.

Who said anything about any of these? And it's fine if you call them good, but the moment you treat one as factually better over the other you're asking to be refuted. And I don't care if you like that or not.

Originally posted by Lord Doober Del Le Goober XVI:

wasn't NWN2 a black spot on obsidian rep untill NV and PoE?

Kinda, yeah. But then, you can't cure people of not having taste.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Lord Doober Del Le Goober XVI:

Originally posted by Bishop:

I agree, nwn may be a better module creation tool but nwn2 is better rpg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg


-Terrible animations
-Terrible models
-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of bugs
-Terrible camera / UI

I don't agree about first two, it's not great but not terrible either for the game released in 2006. As for its current state, you can just replace whatever textures you want through mods. https://www.nexusmods.com/neverwinter2/mods/212/
I do agree about bugs though, but they've patched it a lot since these first days. Complete edition from GOG is perfectly playable from start to finish and there's community patch on top of that for non game breaking bugs.

For UI i'd recommend this thing https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn2/other/gui/divine-gui-remake . Its beatiful. And in comparison there's nothing in NWN to make UI look better. Camera is pretty bad in both games, at least in NWN2 you can rotate it with rmb and that's already a huge improvement in my book.

-mediocre storylines with terrible endings (also MoTB was a "alright" stand-alone but an horrible sequel while SoZ was....just there...?)

Most people i talked with agreed that both OC and MoTB did far better job telling the story and covering RP elements than any of BW original story modules. I agree about SoZ, but SoZ is actually close to a toolset demo than a real game. Its still pretty good if you play it like IWD esque game.

wasn't NWN2 a black spot on obsidian rep untill NV and PoE?

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/neverwinter-nights-2/critic-reviews if it was, i don't exactly see it. I enjoyed playing it a lot even in that buggy mess state it was on release. And its much better now.
For black spot on Obsidian rep there's always Dungeon Siege 3 and Alpha Protocol though :)