Thoughts on Bloodless?

[Nox Tenebris]

How is progression, does playing her still make the game feel fleshed out with ways to improve your character? So far, do you prefer her, Zangetsu, or Miriam?

[Sergey.]

Like this mode so far.
Unlike Zangetsu mode where you start off with everything and it is way too easy at the beginning (so I gave up on playing it after 10 minutes), Bloodless is much more interesting.
You don't start at the same place like Miriam and Zangetsu, you actually want to explore to get stronger and find new skills, and most importantly, there is a hard mode to begin with, so there is actually a challenge from the beginning.

Just one question though.
I play with Hori Fighting Commander, but since it doesn't have sticks, there is no L3/R3 buttons, so it is impossible to use Blood Steal on this controller.
Haven't found a way to change this in the settings, as R3 isn't mapped to anything, and while playing with Bloodless, I can only view the controls but can't change them.
Did anybody found a solution to this? I still can use my DS4, but was wondering if it possible on this controller as well.

[Washing Machine]

MC Von Neetinator님이 먼저 게시:

Two words: Umbrella Throw.

You don't need anything else, just spam this move and watch them die in, like, a minute.

I beat em eventually, it just triggers me how the difficulty rarely stems from "man this pattern is hard to dodge" but moreso "okay, I'm whiffing attacks, I'm not close enough to the train boss then" *walks forward a step, takes 100 contact dmg*. "oh okay SURE".

Ain't got infinite MP btw, not sure how I can just spam.

Also, the speed demon's health pool is absurd. It's like they just pressed a random number generator on boss hp and it's completely out of wack how much HP these guys have now. Train died in no time, twin dragons were whatever, then this dude and the rainbow chicken are insane damage sponges for some reason. Why do the most mobile hard to hit bosses have the most health?

And Alfred the same story. Judging from how long it takes for him to bust out the obnoxious slow phase, he has like 4000hp? 90% of my play time is grinding attempts against the bosses to master the moveset of each boss fight so I can get the run where I can survive the endurance test the boss fights have become. The tweaking of enemy and boss hp bars is really haphazard and it's just urrrggghhh.

[RobDeLaMorte]

I wouldn't mind if they added in an upgrade that adds a little shockwave extra range to her basic melee to be honest. >.>

[ShishiBMZ]

Loved her in the Boss Revenge Mode and I love her in the "Story Mode" as well. I really like her battle style, I just wish there was a bit more lore like her backstory or thoughts on the current events.

[Big Gas Kitty]

iriyap님이 먼저 게시:

A lot better than the Zangetsu mode. She starts with only basic attack and the slide. You need to find blood crystals scattered around the castle to unlock her abilities. You can't just go wherever because plenty of places require unlocking various movement abilities first.

You start in her boss room and then plan your route from there. I recommend playing on Normal because unlike Zangetsu she's considerably weaker and some of the bosses in this mode are rather tanky. If you enjoy a classicvania like challenge then this mode is lots of fun.

She has a surprising selection of attacks (both umbrella and blood based) and can block things with her umbrella. Another cool touch is her outfit acts like an MP indicator, she gets progressively more naked as your MP goes down, lol. Also, water kills her (because she's a vampire) but I guess there's an upgrade later on that lets you traverse underwater sections somehow.

Content and story wise there's a few lines of dialog and some short cutscenes but I haven't played that much yet, there could be a unique final boss.

There is an upgrade that allows Bloodless to be able to go underwater. Thing is you have to get ANOTHER upgrade to be able to get that one.

[Big Gas Kitty]

TemmieNeko님이 먼저 게시:

iriyap님이 먼저 게시:

A lot better than the Zangetsu mode. She starts with only basic attack and the slide. You need to find blood crystals scattered around the castle to unlock her abilities. You can't just go wherever because plenty of places require unlocking various movement abilities first.

You start in her boss room and then plan your route from there. I recommend playing on Normal because unlike Zangetsu she's considerably weaker and some of the bosses in this mode are rather tanky. If you enjoy a classicvania like challenge then this mode is lots of fun.

She has a surprising selection of attacks (both umbrella and blood based) and can block things with her umbrella. Another cool touch is her outfit acts like an MP indicator, she gets progressively more naked as your MP goes down, lol. Also, water kills her (because she's a vampire) but I guess there's an upgrade later on that lets you traverse underwater sections somehow.

Content and story wise there's a few lines of dialog and some short cutscenes but I haven't played that much yet, there could be a unique final boss.

W-why does water kill her?
someone said, and I quote " 100% of the map is open to her, anywhere Miriam can go, she can go; no exceptions "
but there's a gigantic water only area.
EDIT * okay, so you get a spell to avoid it.
but why is water a vampire weakness, all of a sudden? HOLY WATER, yeah - but regular water? Since when has this ever been a thing for Vampire lore?
Vampires must smell effin horrible if this is lore.

In regards to your question about regular water being a weakness, I think it is supposed to be naturally running water. Something that supports life on its own. Thus a stream or a river or ocean or similar. Holy water would have a blessing on it and so it would be the blessing that hurts the vampire, not the water itself.

So a cup of tap water sitting in a cup would not hurt a vampire (and probably not water from a shower either)

[BloodyKyona]

I just want to weigh in on vampires and water... Honestly, while it has existed a very long time, I'd rank it below "sparkling" when it comes to "dumb vampire tropes". Vampires are reanimated humans, which are two thirds water. As for whether it's "running" or not, that is silly superstition that really should always be a moment in stories where a vampire makes fun of someone for thinking it's actually a weakness.

The best pure vampires have primarily one weakness that doesn't also kill normal people: sunlight. Stuff like garlic or religious symbols are more for the not-so-serious-about-vampires crowd that consider them more of a joke. It's not a proper threat if spices and helpless people with sentimental objects can beat them. Such vampires would never be scary to me.

That said, for the game, it was a decent "excuse" to fetch another power-up, and Bloodless obviously is not a normal vampire anyway, so yeah.

[makertoo]

AnemoneMeer님이 먼저 게시:

Andres_ak47님이 먼저 게시:

This.

Are there no bosses in this game mode?

What's the point?

All the bosses except Bloodless herself are in the mode.

What about OD boss and Iga for those who have DLC ?

[BelphegorATS]

makertoo님이 먼저 게시:

AnemoneMeer님이 먼저 게시:

All the bosses except Bloodless herself are in the mode.

What about OD boss and Iga for those who have DLC ?

I have not encountered either O.D. or Iga as bosses in Bloodless Mode. I believe the only way for the player to fight them is to fulfill their respective requirements in the main story. O.D's boss fight is normally unlocked by exploring the vast majority of the map and returning to his library. That is when the Tome of Conquest becomes available to borrow from him, which you'll need to fight him in the Glacial Tomb. As for Iga, he is the optional boss made available by Lindsay's DLC quest (the only purchasable DLC content so far). This quest can be accepted early on, but he is fought after Gebel I presume. As O.D. and Lindsay are not in Bloodless Mode, neither O.D. nor Iga can be fought against. Unless I am mistaken since I do not know how to unlock the two of them in Bloodless Mode myself.

[Holygriever]

Mr. Powers님이 먼저 게시:

Can't seemto figure out the button combination for High or Flight jump after sands boss... Perhaps its glitched. Please assist. Thanks

It only works for me if the button is assigned to L1. I had it reassigned to triangle but that won't work at all...

[RobDeLaMorte]

Random thought but if Bloodless became a Vtuber I'd probably subscribe.

[XeeFlå]

I really love Bloodless. As someone who played through Miriam several times but really couldn't get into Zangetsu (despite being really hyped for him) I am loving going through as Bloodless. Except I've been stuck fighting Alfred for f****** hours! I was really determined to go all the way through but this is frustrating me to no end. I keep getting him to the point where the slow bubbles are everywhere and I can't avoid those so I can't maneuver well or see wth is going on so he widdles my health down and I can't get to him. I've even survived until they timed out but he just recasts immediately and I can't hang.

[ShishiBMZ]

XeeFlå님이 먼저 게시:

I really love Bloodless. As someone who played through Miriam several times but really couldn't get into Zangetsu (despite being really hyped for him) I am loving going through as Bloodless. Except I've been stuck fighting Alfred for f****** hours! I was really determined to go all the way through but this is frustrating me to no end. I keep getting him to the point where the slow bubbles are everywhere and I can't avoid those so I can't maneuver well or see wth is going on so he widdles my health down and I can't get to him. I've even survived until they timed out but he just recasts immediately and I can't hang.

I feel ya... I was lucky in one of my many MANY attemps that he didn't recast the bubbles right away, so I killed him easly. I can only tell you that the slide ignore the slow effect of the bubbles, so it's "easy" to move around like that. Good Luck.

[8GB VRAM OP CARDS IN 2025, LOL!!]

Have Bloodless but no Dominique, meh

[RobDeLaMorte]

BG3: Advanced Bottles & Barrels님이 먼저 게시:

Have Bloodless but no Dominique, meh

Yeah a bit weird, I thought for sure they'd make her playable with her ability to use spells and stuff. :o Maybe they thought it'd be basically just the same as normal Miriam though.