A limit to Valefar ability

[A Stranger Is Here]

Why? I can't see the full potential of Money is Power. Well I can but I don't want to fight him for one hour in each ng+ to do so. If you have a lot of money, his hp goes over the roof and the fight takes too much time. So I think a limit should be introduced, I don't know, 5000, 10000, but a limit still.

[RobDeLaMorte]

And yet they put limits on the power rings that give you attack according to gold and stuff. :x Good stuff, game.

[Almea]

Oh? The amount of money you have ACTUALLY makes a difference? I noticed your money actually does get drained but I didn't think it would actually make a difference.

[Kyutaru]

You can always just SPEND the money and then farm it back later. It's not like making money is hard. Pulling in 90k per minute means you'll get it back soon.

[Tipsy]

Max gold is 9,999,999 you can still just invert+aegis plate and spam greatsword while occasionally cast Directed Shield to guard from damage, maxing out Augment STR, Optimizer and Doublestack Greatsword Expertise speeds up your attacks markedly so it should just help you breeze through no matter how much HP he has.

[A Stranger Is Here]

Originally posted by Tipsy:

Max gold is 9,999,999 you can still just invert+aegis plate and spam greatsword while occasionally cast Directed Shield to guard from damage, maxing out Augment STR, Optimizer and Doublestack Greatsword Expertise speeds up your attacks markedly so it should just help you breeze through no matter how much HP he has.

At level 99, while having 800,000 gold, I used a Rhava Velar with sword expertise, with all my shards max out. I didn't even need to use a shield, the passive Drain shard was healing me. And yes, it was too long. In fact, it was starting to hurt to keep pushing the attack button.

I know I could buy a lot of junk to spend money, but I want to have a lot of it to maximize Money is Power. To farm gold... is long, and not funny in this game, especially if I want to reach the million and more. So I wanted to obtain as much of it while playing a new game+ every time, but with this boss, it seems more like a bother than anything else.

[thefollowingcharacters]

lol, or you could...spend the money? The answer might have been too obvious OP, but its still there staring you in the face with a big goofy grin on its face.

[Almea]

Originally posted by thefollowingcharacters:

lol, or you could...spend the money? The answer might have been too obvious OP, but its still there staring you in the face with a big goofy grin on its face.

The point is some people don't want to grind money back up, especially if they have a lot.

[solthusx]

Also, there's no warning that I've seen that there will be a boss wbose health scales with the money he steals from you. Valefor's description hints at this but you can only see it after defeating him. Up to that point, there's no real reason to keep your cash low as there's also a shard that buffs you based on how much money you have.

[Master Blaster]

My god, Valefar fight was so hard... https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/779601777696930493/1B23E781071B53FE468E3381AA6AC7BB889D6883/

[A Stranger Is Here]

Originally posted by Master Blaster:

My god, Valefar fight was so hard... https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/779601777696930493/1B23E781071B53FE468E3381AA6AC7BB889D6883/

How did you do that?

[InstableMonster]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Also, there's no warning that I've seen that there will be a boss wbose health scales with the money he steals from you. Valefor's description hints at this but you can only see it after defeating him. Up to that point, there's no real reason to keep your cash low as there's also a shard that buffs you based on how much money you have.

God forbid the game keeps bosses mechanics as a surprise for the boss or that using some shard could have a downside

[solthusx]

Originally posted by A Stranger Is Here:

Originally posted by Master Blaster:

My god, Valefar fight was so hard... https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/779601777696930493/1B23E781071B53FE468E3381AA6AC7BB889D6883/

How did you that?

Reflect Ray has longer range at higher ranks, allowing you to jump to the other side of the room before the doors lock.

And its no so much that Valefor is hard; Invert + Aegis Plate renders him impotent. Its that his potentially excessive health makes him very tedious to fight.

[DragonByDegrees]

Originally posted by InstableMonster:

Originally posted by solthusx:

Also, there's no warning that I've seen that there will be a boss wbose health scales with the money he steals from you. Valefor's description hints at this but you can only see it after defeating him. Up to that point, there's no real reason to keep your cash low as there's also a shard that buffs you based on how much money you have.

God forbid the game keeps bosses mechanics as a surprise for the boss or that using some shard could have a downside

It's less that it's a surprise and more that it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ design. As mentioned, player benefit from gold stops scaling early, whereas the boss's HP scales MUCH more, and it's not like "oh, just a downside to this particular shard". No, gold is tracked for numerous things, with two shards and a ring just off the top of my head, and ALSO, players will naturally try to get rich because things cost money in this game, and because it's a number many players seem to want to max out (see: the many "max level, max souls, max items, max gold" posts in older Vania's Gamefaqs boards).

This is punishing expected behavior severely. The issue is the DEGREE of the scaling, not that it scales.

[RobDeLaMorte]

Pretty much the best you can do is spend the money on buying either ingredient stuff or if you have a TON of it, pissing it away on 32 bit coins. The problem is that selling them to get the money back is still going to drop you down what, 1/4th of your cash?

To be honest, having no seeming limit to the scaling for this boss seems like yet another amateur decision that was easily avoided and can be easily fixed with a patch. :x

[Denninja]

It's on Hard with Standstill but I "insta" gibbed him for medal by stacking Axe Strike, Death Cry, Summon Hellhound and some projectiles on his face with 8m gold.