this or farthest frontiers?

[Sir Snuffles]

im torn between this game and farthest frontier. both look good. Does this game have super cool late game projects/monuments? can i expect to sink alot of hours building a city or is the gameplay not quite fleshed out?

[Pico 22]

There is implicit combat, but that's all.

Edited as well. There is a super cool late game project/monument at the end of church path but not (yet) at the other two (one will almost certainly be a castle; no idea about the other - a re-education center?). You can certainly expect to sink a lot of hours building a city; we all did.

[Granny Annie]

I have not yet played farthest frontier, but I've spent over 500 hours in Foundation, enjoyed every minute.
The map editor means the game has a lot of replay value, and I like being able to custom build monuments right from the start. Churches, forts, monastic buildings and the manor house can all be built to the player's liking.
Can't think of any reason to not buy Foundation, the game has a lot going for it, and I think it's the best city builder I've played yet.

[ian.silver67]

I only tried FF for a couple of hours - I found Foundation to be instantly engaging, not so much with FF. Arguably, the key thing to keep in mind with Foundation that distinguishes it from many other city builders is focus on 'the looks-good factor' - e.g. Skylines seems to be all about traffic management, Banished required delicately balancing/growing the ins and outs of your resources etc. Foundation has all these sorts of demands but can be fairly forgiving if you get the balance slightly wrong, the real challenge (at least for me) is building a settlement with farms, orchards, slums, high streets, markets, churches, monasteries and castles etc then zooming out and being able to say to myself (modestly, but admittedly with some bias) 'wow, that looks great'. The mods also help and are worth checking out at mod.io as there's a ton of content you don't see on Foundation's Steam page.

[Neomorder]

Both fabulous games and worth it, IMO, but some experience / feel differences for sure.

I've got about 32 hours in FF and I do love it for what I consider to be one of the best Banished sequels, a procedural city-builder, and a very polished game but not as relaxed / chill as I find Foundation to be - I think FF is a "heavier" game in terms of mechanics, raids, predators and needing to manage production chains very closely. The early, mid and late game is more flushed out in FF right now.

That's not to say there isn't challenge to be found with Foundation, there is definitely more mid-to-late game development to be done in Foundation, again MHO, but the devs seem to be very active and very responsive.

I've got about 12 hours into Foundation and I absolutely love it as well, mainly for features like organic pathing instead of built roads (laying down perfectly orthogonal roads in a medieval / colonial settlement game like FF or most others just feels inconsistent with theme to me). I love Ostriv for this same reason. Foundation feels more pick-up and play for an hour or so to me, which is nice, compared to FF which I have found myself abandoning games about 5-6 hours in or around 100 pop because I have to take a break or return to the game a day or 2 later, and find it tough to get back into.

I also love Foundation's map generator, super simple, nice UI, immediate feedback when you spin a new seed or change parameters.

[ROFLpl0x]

Foundation and Farthest Frontier don't scratch the same itch. You hear that a lot about games and it's usually nonsense, but in this case it's a fact.

FOUNDATION is all about creative freedom and building lots of really cool stuff that YOU designed, so that every tavern and every church and every monument, monastery, manor house and military fort is unique and as large or small and elaborately decorated as you want it to be. Production buildings are all prefabbed, but there is no grid so you can turn them however you want to. The economy, resources, happiness, etc. are fairly easy to manage and there's no on screen fighting, no children and no deaths. Immigrants wander into town and stay if they like it and leave it they stop liking it.

FARTHEST FRONTIER is more of a resource manager/colony survival sim, like Banished with combat. The buildings are all prefabbed and locked to a cleverly disguised grid. They do upgrade and change appearance, but it's always the same and you have very little creative freedom, just plop stuff down in the most optimal location and it looks like whatever it looks like because it's all secondary to the management and survival aspects.

They're both good games and both are far enough along in their development that you can get hundreds of hours of mostly bug free gameplay out of them, but you don't want to buy Foundation if you're looking for deep management and combat and you don't want to buy Farthest Frontier if you're looking for a management light screen painter.

[baryonischer]

I have both games, and if i had to choose one title, i would go with Farthest Frontier. Foundation is a good game, but after my first run, i did not felt like i want to start a fresh one, because i have already seen everything and its more an easy kind of game. Farthest Frontier on the other hand is a game i play every couple of months.

[Revil.G]

Foundations for sure.
Farthest Frontiers is a nice game, don't get me wrong, but Foundations has this unique charme.

[Rawex]

Originally posted by baryonischer:

I have both games, and if i had to choose one title, i would go with Farthest Frontier. Foundation is a good game, but after my first run, i did not felt like i want to start a fresh one, because i have already seen everything and its more an easy kind of game. Farthest Frontier on the other hand is a game i play every couple of months.

Try and complete all (HARD) achievements in one game, pheeeew... aint easy. ^^

[nafer]

Originally posted by Rawex:

Originally posted by baryonischer:

I have both games, and if i had to choose one title, i would go with Farthest Frontier. Foundation is a good game, but after my first run, i did not felt like i want to start a fresh one, because i have already seen everything and its more an easy kind of game. Farthest Frontier on the other hand is a game i play every couple of months.

Try and complete all (HARD) achievements in one game, pheeeew... aint easy. ^^

It's immposible. Faith hard ask not too promote peasants. Workers - no sell. So this 2 can't be done in 1 run. For taxer you need Commoner, so there no way to gain gold. Maybe you can farm gold from military - not sure for this =\

[Rawex]

Originally posted by nafer:

Originally posted by Rawex:

Try and complete all (HARD) achievements in one game, pheeeew... aint easy. ^^

It's immposible. Faith hard ask not too promote peasants. Workers - no sell. So this 2 can't be done in 1 run. For taxer you need Commoner, so there no way to gain gold. Maybe you can farm gold from military - not sure for this =\

What are you talking about, i am pretty sure this can be done..

I have already unlocked the first (HARD) achievement in my game without losing the other (HARD) achievements.. 1/4 done..

Here is a screenshot when i got the first one completed, it was "Dedicated to the Clergy"

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3093392016

[mikeydsc]

It is doable at present, but no idea if it will still be possible when the 2 other trees are finished in an upcoming update. You do need to do them in the proper order or you can lock yourself out of a tree.

Originally posted by Rawex:

Try and complete all (HARD) achievements in one game, pheeeew... aint easy. ^^

It's immposible. Faith hard ask not too promote peasants. Workers - no sell. So this 2 can't be done in 1 run. For taxer you need Commoner, so there no way to gain gold. Maybe you can farm gold from military - not sure for this =\

[[AC] Mendôza]

Originally posted by ian.silver67:

I only tried FF for a couple of hours - I found Foundation to be instantly engaging, not so much with FF. Arguably, the key thing to keep in mind with Foundation that distinguishes it from many other city builders is focus on 'the looks-good factor' - e.g. Skylines seems to be all about traffic management, Banished required delicately balancing/growing the ins and outs of your resources etc. Foundation has all these sorts of demands but can be fairly forgiving if you get the balance slightly wrong, the real challenge (at least for me) is building a settlement with farms, orchards, slums, high streets, markets, churches, monasteries and castles etc then zooming out and being able to say to myself (modestly, but admittedly with some bias) 'wow, that looks great'. The mods also help and are worth checking out at mod.io as there's a ton of content you don't see on Foundation's Steam page.

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