Cheats

[Dark Shadow]

Thread #3037 about cheaters when we have no replay system to record cheaters.

[Ratz | Zak]

Not many games have this feature, in fact I can't think of any I've played. Why not record you're gameplay, post here, and someone will tell you what you're doing wrong?

[Dark Shadow]

Originally posted by Ratz | Zak:

Not many games have this feature, in fact I can't think of any I've played. Why not record you're gameplay, post here, and someone will tell you what you're doing wrong?

If someone is cheating in a game, the best way to tell is to be able to rewatch the game from their pov, especially in a FPS. Tons of games have this, there's games from 30 years ago that have this lol.

How else are you supposed to figure out if someone is cheating? This is a feature that admins have in this game, it's just live and not post game recording, this is how they figure out whether someone is truly cheating or not. Otherwise you'd at least have a report system to where dedicated workers would rewatch the footage themselves based on the reports they get.

HLL literally has no way of reporting a cheater at all, the best case you get is if you're playing on a server with an active admin who is competent and unbiased. We really have no idea who is cheating in this game, our trust falls completely into the anti cheat or the admin who run the server we're playing on.

This is why I don't get the constant posts about cheats that people make because there is no way of knowing in this game when someone is cheating or not, it's all guess work.

[Roovka]

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

Originally posted by Ratz | Zak:

Not many games have this feature, in fact I can't think of any I've played. Why not record you're gameplay, post here, and someone will tell you what you're doing wrong?

If someone is cheating in a game, the best way to tell is to be able to rewatch the game from their pov, especially in a FPS. Tons of games have this, there's games from 30 years ago that have this lol.

How else are you supposed to figure out if someone is cheating? This is a feature that admins have in this game, it's just live and not post game recording, this is how they figure out whether someone is truly cheating or not. Otherwise you'd at least have a report system to where dedicated workers would rewatch the footage themselves based on the reports they get.

HLL literally has no way of reporting a cheater at all, the best case you get is if you're playing on a server with an active admin who is competent and unbiased. We really have no idea who is cheating in this game, our trust falls completely into the anti cheat or the admin who run the server we're playing on.

This is why I don't get the constant posts about cheats that people make because there is no way of knowing in this game when someone is cheating or not, it's all guess work.

Admins don't have anything like a replay or a first person PoV, it's all third person and manually recorded via external software. However, this is usually enough to catch *most* cheaters if given a bit of time and understanding of how these people react to being watched.

[Roovka]

Alternatively I find it best to not worry about cheating while ingame, report when things get REALLY fishy sure, but when you make it a primary thought, you're both taking away from your own gameplay and opening yourself up to make excuses for mistakes that you'll make in the future.

This is why I assume people who are overly extremist with their views on cheating are bad players, it's so easy to spiral yourself down into never improving when you can never take fault for any mistakes you make.

[HappyPinkFlower]

Sad reality is that all multiplayer games loose to cheaters. At least some games are trying to battle them. Hell Let Loose is not one of those games. On the good note - Hell Let Loose is also not a game where cheaters win matches.

[Roovka]

Originally posted by HappyPinkFlower:

Sad reality is that all multiplayer games loose to cheaters. At least some games are trying to battle them. Hell Let Loose is not one of those games. On the good note - Hell Let Loose is also not a game where cheaters win matches.

Any game with community run servers will have a better chance against cheaters than ones without them imo.

[HappyPinkFlower]

Originally posted by Roovka:

Any game with community run servers will have a better chance against cheaters than ones without them imo.

lol

[Roovka]

Originally posted by HappyPinkFlower:

Originally posted by Roovka:

Any game with community run servers will have a better chance against cheaters than ones without them imo.

lol

Why the lol? It's night and day playing on an official vs community.

[Nospel]

Every single FPS game has cheaters , even in CS high level matches have cheaters. Another question is can u detect and find them. The easiest and most used cheat in this game is radar where u can see enemy on map wherever they are and u cant detect it , only on community servers with active admins.

[[40-1] SturmTurm]

Admins needs to make demos for fully expose cheaters. It is the only way as a demo records everything on the server incl. first person views of any player. As already mentioned admin cam-view will expose most of the cheaters.

[Dark Shadow]

Originally posted by Roovka:

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

If someone is cheating in a game, the best way to tell is to be able to rewatch the game from their pov, especially in a FPS. Tons of games have this, there's games from 30 years ago that have this lol.

How else are you supposed to figure out if someone is cheating? This is a feature that admins have in this game, it's just live and not post game recording, this is how they figure out whether someone is truly cheating or not. Otherwise you'd at least have a report system to where dedicated workers would rewatch the footage themselves based on the reports they get.

HLL literally has no way of reporting a cheater at all, the best case you get is if you're playing on a server with an active admin who is competent and unbiased. We really have no idea who is cheating in this game, our trust falls completely into the anti cheat or the admin who run the server we're playing on.

This is why I don't get the constant posts about cheats that people make because there is no way of knowing in this game when someone is cheating or not, it's all guess work.

Admins don't have anything like a replay or a first person PoV, it's all third person and manually recorded via external software. However, this is usually enough to catch *most* cheaters if given a bit of time and understanding of how these people react to being watched.

Damn, that is pathetic then lol, even admins can't spectate from a person's POV. Oh well, knowing these devs we'll get another skin in a year.

[Ezequiel]

Now you know. And then shills will ask you for proof that does not exist. And will tell you no proof = no cheats. Cheats does not exists in this game. Just pure shill cycles.

HLL shill entertainments.

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Ezequiel:

Now you know. And then shills will ask you for proof that does not exist. And will tell you no proof = no cheats. Cheats does not exists in this game. Just pure shill cycles.

HLL shill entertainments.

there he is lol

[>>-OneShot->]

finding a cheater in HLL is useless, no one takes reports into consideration even if they are supported by explicit videos, there are servers (very few) very active on reports, but Steam and Team17 don't even respond and take action

[Roovka]

Originally posted by Ezequiel:

Now you know. And then shills will ask you for proof that does not exist. And will tell you no proof = no cheats. Cheats does not exists in this game. Just pure shill cycles.

HLL shill entertainments.

There are cheats. You can find plenty of evidence online for any game in existence that cheats exist. No one has EVER said that no proof indicates that there's no cheats or denied the existence of cheating in this game.

It's just not as rampant as you claim here and if it was, you should be able to show people that it is, even if it's just a single clip that you've personally recorded. I think that's a reasonable perspective to have.

But it's hard to record things for a game you don't play, isn't it?