We need to talk about Arti/Recon...

[Dark Shadow]

We all know that this is one of the major problems with this game. Recon itself is not a problematic class at all, but the fact that they are essentially the only ones who can viably neutralize the enemy arti is terrible for the game. It ruins their role and essentially justifies spawn camping.

This brings us to arti, which is what needs to be changed. I've seen all types of proposals, such as...

1. Remove arti completely
2. Make it a Commander ability (spawn the guns somewhere on the map, obviously costs resources, ability has cd)
3. Replace Arti with deployable mortar class
4. Drastically limit arti use (increase resources used per round, slower reload, etc.)

There are a lot of different potential solutions, but the point is, something needs to be done. This game has been out too long for this problem to not be addressed. It's time something was tried and then see what the community response is.

I'm just sick of us all continuing to just accept this as the norm, what do y'all think?

[datCookie]

The original developers, Black Matter and now the new devs from T17 agreed that this was an issue. No attempts to fix it have been made.

Most people would agree with you on this also

[RedSeptember]

No, we don't need to talk about it for the 10000th time.

[RedSeptember]

Originally posted by datCookie:

The original developers, Black Matter and now the new devs from T17 agreed that this was an issue. No attempts to fix it have been made.

Most people would agree with you on this also

Do you really not play anymore? Or are people just trolling?

[datCookie]

Originally posted by RedSeptember:

Originally posted by datCookie:

The original developers, Black Matter and now the new devs from T17 agreed that this was an issue. No attempts to fix it have been made.

Most people would agree with you on this also

Do you really not play anymore? Or are people just trolling?

Haven't played for a long while, doesn't really change what's been said here. Almost everyone agrees that the Recon-Arty meta is trash and even both development teams have acknowledged this also.

[KingKickAss]

I think T17 is going to generally avoid touching the current gameplay features to not risk screwing up and getting backlash. I wouldn't say its something everybody just accepts, but rather they just have to deal with it.

[datCookie]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

I think T17 is going to generally avoid touching the current gameplay features to not risk screwing up and getting backlash. I wouldn't say its something everybody just accepts, but rather they just have to deal with it.

I actually think this is one of the very few things they could change and get away with it. It's probably the most widely agreed upon issue this game has that I don't think many would be too concerned.

Having said that, I know some people are very fond of the current artillery set up and don't want to see it just become a Commander ability. Either way, I doubt T17 will touch it, because they've shown they lack the competence to do much with this game

[Dark Shadow]

Originally posted by datCookie:

The original developers, Black Matter and now the new devs from T17 agreed that this was an issue. No attempts to fix it have been made.

Most people would agree with you on this also

That's my main complaint "no attempts have been made". I don't claim to have the perfect solution, but they should just try something and see what happens, not doing anything is unacceptable.

[Dark Shadow]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

I think T17 is going to generally avoid touching the current gameplay features to not risk screwing up and getting backlash. I wouldn't say its something everybody just accepts, but rather they just have to deal with it.

By continuing to play the game, by definition you accept it. It doesn't mean you like it or don't want change, but you've accepted it because you're still playing. The fact that neither of the 2 Dev teams have even TRIED anything is pretty sad, like how hard is it to run a beta test for a couple weeks and then see what the feedback is?

[KingKickAss]

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

By continuing to play the game, by definition you accept it. It doesn't mean you like it or don't want change, but you've accepted it because you're still playing.

I don't play either role so its not gamebreaking to me.

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

The fact that neither of the 2 Dev teams have even TRIED anything is pretty sad, like how hard is it to run a beta test for a couple weeks and then see what the feedback is?

Yeah, the crew that's working on it seems to be either a bit amateurish or they severely lack something, like very low manpower and harsh deadlines for what they're tasked with.
I cant say either for sure, but there's definitely something up with how the updates seem to go.

[Dark Shadow]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

By continuing to play the game, by definition you accept it. It doesn't mean you like it or don't want change, but you've accepted it because you're still playing.

I don't play either role so its not gamebreaking to me.

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

The fact that neither of the 2 Dev teams have even TRIED anything is pretty sad, like how hard is it to run a beta test for a couple weeks and then see what the feedback is?

Yeah, the crew that's working on it seems to be either a bit amateurish or they severely lack something, like very low manpower and harsh deadlines for what they're tasked with.
I cant say either for sure, but there's definitely something up with how the updates seem to go.

Might be severly lacking work ethic, because the options you listed are like best case scenarios ngl.

[KingKickAss]

Originally posted by Dark Shadow:

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

I don't play either role so its not gamebreaking to me.


Yeah, the crew that's working on it seems to be either a bit amateurish or they severely lack something, like very low manpower and harsh deadlines for what they're tasked with.
I cant say either for sure, but there's definitely something up with how the updates seem to go.

Might be severly lacking work ethic, because the options you listed are like best case scenarios ngl.

They're the only logical things I could come up with that would explain why things the way they are. Its entirely possible that they're just very inept as a whole and this is the product of it.

[DerRitter]

This game should take a leaf out of DH's book and replace arty with mortars. Mortars would have less range, but be man-portable.

[Strontium Dog]

You can't get rid of arty, that's the only way some players get kills.

[TheCrazyCanuck]

Artillery --> Mortars, problem solved. The problem I see with that is recon will just become the "rack up the kills" squad if they don't have the team constantly barking at them to go kill the enemy artillery.

[Outlaw VULPE]

Make artry a deployable for the commander and have the first 3 guns be a freebie