Firefly vs Churchill

[Coiler]

Haven't had the chance to handle brit heavies much, any experienced tankers would like to compare the two ? I don't have a clue

[RaveyDaveyDave]

Churchill all day long.

The Firefly handles and drives like a fat lass on a waterbed………

You also get the added security of the long high sided tracks on the Churchill making it harder for inexperienced enemy tankers getting a hull shot on you.

Oh, and don’t forget the firefly has no driver hull MG to help out if you get pushed by infantry.

[Sef]

The Firefly is dogsh!t in this game. Really needs sorting out.

Churchill is a big improvement, but the way it slows to a crawl when turning is ridiculous. Again, needs sorting out.

[Coiler]

So the differences are:

- better mobility for the churchill
- no hull mg for the firefly

and that's it ?

can you penetrate frontal armor of panther/tiger with the churchill ?

[Cookiemonsta]

Never spawn firefly nor ask for one.

[Yoyo]

churchill unless you wanna drive like a snail and turn like a turtle

[Sef]

Originally posted by Coiler:

So the differences are:

- better mobility for the churchill
- no hull mg for the firefly

and that's it ?

can you penetrate frontal armor of panther/tiger with the churchill ?

Yes, it is classed as a heavy tank so the basic heavy v heavy rules apply, i.e. 2 good hits is a kill.

[Coiler]

Originally posted by Sef:

Originally posted by Coiler:

So the differences are:

- better mobility for the churchill
- no hull mg for the firefly

and that's it ?

can you penetrate frontal armor of panther/tiger with the churchill ?

Yes, it is classed as a heavy tank so the basic heavy v heavy rules apply, i.e. 2 good hits is a kill.

Thank you!
I've read about the Firefly that it's got a medium hull, so it can be penned by a pz4, is that true ?

[JustinF]

As a non-player WW2 armor buff I find this discussion interesting. For one thing, since it was built on an M4 hull it should have way more maneuverability than a church, being lighter and a higher HP / Ton ratio. Churchills were never fast. With an M4 chassis, it has little armor so of course much will pen it. And for cannons, Churchills didn't have very powerful guns compared to panthers and tigers, being mostly 6lbr's and 75mm, needing to be pretty close to pen from the front if at all, except for the engineering types with the HE "dustbin" launcher. The 17lbr mounted on the firefly was MADE to kill heavies at range. It didnt have a bow gun because it was considered less important than ammo storage in its place, since 17lbr shells were BIG. I'm not at all saying you guys are wrong, just that it appears that the devs made.....interesting ability choices just between these two tanks as you guys are describing them.

[Cookiemonsta]

Originally posted by Coiler:

Originally posted by Sef:

Yes, it is classed as a heavy tank so the basic heavy v heavy rules apply, i.e. 2 good hits is a kill.

Thank you!
I've read about the Firefly that it's got a medium hull, so it can be penned by a pz4, is that true ?

firefly is equivalant to a jumbo 75. It will NOT penetrate the frontal armor of a panther or a tiger. Well, at least not easily. There is a very very tiny location but when moving or even engaging an enemy will make your chances of penetration basically 99% of non-pen.

[TheThunderBirds]

Originally posted by JustinF:

As a non-player WW2 armor buff I find this discussion interesting. For one thing, since it was built on an M4 hull it should have way more maneuverability than a church, being lighter and a higher HP / Ton ratio. Churchills were never fast. With an M4 chassis, it has little armor so of course much will pen it. And for cannons, Churchills didn't have very powerful guns compared to panthers and tigers, being mostly 6lbr's and 75mm, needing to be pretty close to pen from the front if at all, except for the engineering types with the HE "dustbin" launcher. The 17lbr mounted on the firefly was MADE to kill heavies at range. It didnt have a bow gun because it was considered less important than ammo storage in its place, since 17lbr shells were BIG. I'm not at all saying you guys are wrong, just that it appears that the devs made.....interesting ability choices just between these two tanks as you guys are describing them.

Cool story. This game is not historically accurate and is essentially an arcade shooter.

[Cookiemonsta]

Originally posted by JustinF:

As a non-player WW2 armor buff I find this discussion interesting. For one thing, since it was built on an M4 hull it should have way more maneuverability than a church, being lighter and a higher HP / Ton ratio. Churchills were never fast. With an M4 chassis, it has little armor so of course much will pen it. And for cannons, Churchills didn't have very powerful guns compared to panthers and tigers, being mostly 6lbr's and 75mm, needing to be pretty close to pen from the front if at all, except for the engineering types with the HE "dustbin" launcher. The 17lbr mounted on the firefly was MADE to kill heavies at range. It didnt have a bow gun because it was considered less important than ammo storage in its place, since 17lbr shells were BIG. I'm not at all saying you guys are wrong, just that it appears that the devs made.....interesting ability choices just between these two tanks as you guys are describing them.

It does have more maneuverability than a churchhill it is just a garbage tank vs tiger and panther in-game. Churchill is better in the right hands and against poor enemy tankers as attempting to penetrate the hull is difficult. The large tracks if positioned correctly can take more rounds then a typical heavy in-game. 3-4 hits. The sweet spot to target on a churchill is the turret. 2-hit kill.

[TheThunderBirds]

Originally posted by Cookiemonsta:

Originally posted by Coiler:

Thank you!
I've read about the Firefly that it's got a medium hull, so it can be penned by a pz4, is that true ?

firefly is equivalant to a jumbo 75. It will NOT penetrate the frontal armor of a panther or a tiger. Well, at least not easily. There is a very very tiny location but when moving or even engaging an enemy will make your chances of penetration basically 99% of non-pen.

The Firefly can pen the front of the Tiger and Panther in this game.

[Cookiemonsta]

Originally posted by TheThunderBirds:

Originally posted by Cookiemonsta:

firefly is equivalant to a jumbo 75. It will NOT penetrate the frontal armor of a panther or a tiger. Well, at least not easily. There is a very very tiny location but when moving or even engaging an enemy will make your chances of penetration basically 99% of non-pen.

The Firefly can pen the front of the Tiger and Panther in this game.

You sure? Sorry, its been a long time since i have used one. Was I mistaken and its just poor hull and easily pen by a p4 from front?

[Cookiemonsta]

yeah, i apologize i was wrong. Its weapon can penetrate heavies but its hull is medium tank. Therefore, it can pen all tanks but it can be frontal penetrated by medium and heavies. I believe 2 by p4 and 1 by tiger/panther.

Recently, i have yet to see any fireflies survive a duel with a heavy in a fair fight.

[TheThunderBirds]

Originally posted by Cookiemonsta:

Originally posted by TheThunderBirds:

The Firefly can pen the front of the Tiger and Panther in this game.

You sure? Sorry, its been a long time since i have used one. Was I mistaken and its just poor hull and easily pen by a p4 from front?

What happened was they reused the old M4A1 (which had the terrible mobility) asset for the new Firefly. The M4A1 got replaced by the new M4A3 model which fixed the mobility on it. The FireFly still has the terrible mobility of the M4A1 today and never has been fixed. I believe the only advantage the FireFly has is that it has a 6 second reload.