Panther vs Jumbo shenanigans

[Baronsworth]

So today I was with my tank crew and we were POINT BLANK RANGE in a Panther against a Jumbo, and we shot it like 7 times and it didn't die. We were literally like 2 meters away from each other or less. He ended up killing me, front vs front. This should be impossible. What the hell happened?

[Chef]

It's certainly not impossible for the Jumbo 76, hell the 75 to kill any tank on the field. You can kill a panther with a 6pdr from the front.

[Cptn_Miller]

HA! You're hilarious!

Sorry a 57mm brit 6pdr is not killing a panther frontally hahahahaha, even if its close aka 100m or less, which it would prob never would get that close, only chance 6pdr has is from side or rear, 1 Shot from the 75mm/L70 panther gun is gonna basically 1 shot kill anything of that time period with a 6pdr, ya the jumbo might have a chance, but odds are against it as panther gun much better pen.

Any vet tanker knows where to shoot, even a jumbo - turret ring, mg slots, ect. If you played any warthunder, can kill jumbo's np with panther if you know what u are doing, not that game is totally historically accurate, but its the best tank game atm especially in realistic / sim modes.

We all realize the tank models are trash atm and will change, so we'll see if we get some semi historically correct armor values, aka, tiger / panther will literally 1 shot every sherman cept maybe the jumbo. Tiger / panther only weak on sides/rear, it usually took many shermans to kill a tiger / panther in a good position, only chance is on its flank.

[Baronsworth]

so there is a variant of jumbo that can kick the ass of a Panther front to front, even after being shot 7 times?

[Chef]

You're such a putz, with every post you look more foolish.
Tank mechanics are still ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and you can hit the tracks from any angle and kill any tank.

[=7CAV=SPC.Henson.K]

Almost any shot under 200m is going to be a killing shot. At the range the American gunner just needed to aim under the turret mantlet and bounce a round down through the roof of the forward hull. Their are examples of 6lb/57mm ATGs killing at extreme close range through well sited hits and special ammunition. Murphy's Law of Warfare says that if you think nothing can kill you, something will.

[softwarebot]

I was the driver for this. It was wack. The angle of contact of the shell was near perpendicular to the frontal surface (both tanks were backed up and inclined forward so barrels were point at each others front).

[PanzerBrun]

引用自 Cptn_Miller：

Any vet tanker knows where to shoot, even a jumbo - turret ring, mg slots, ect. If you played any warthunder, can kill jumbo's np with panther if you know what u are doing, not that game is totally historically accurate, but its the best tank game atm especially in realistic / sim modes.

You obviously never herd of Steelbeasts. The only Tank sim that meets the standards of the defense departments of United States, Canada, Great Britain, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Australia, Greece, and a few more I can't think of. All 1960's to modern day equipment. The armor modeling and ballistics they use are sent directly from defense departments to the developers and not available to the general public for obvious reasons. Used mainly for training soldiers in a classroom setting. In fact Defense departments are 90% of their sales. A Personal Edition is available for Soldiers to train alone, or for the most hardcore armor nuts to use. I played this for 19 years with real tankers from all over the globe. Perhaps Warthunder is the best WW2 Sim, but nothing is close to Steelbeats ProPe.

[Chef]

引用自 softwarebot：

I was the driver for this. It was wack. The angle of contact of the shell was near perpendicular to the frontal surface (both tanks were backed up and inclined forward so barrels were point at each others front).

That's crazy man!
The extreme close proximity may have been at play here. I once was creeping on a Tiger with a bazooka and as I rounded the hedge there was a guy right in front of me so I instinctively fire. The rocket past right through the dude's chest and hit the tank behind him...and he killed me.

[Frappete]

We need footage man, who was the gunner? Where he shoot? If you don't kill a Jumbo whit 7 hits seems like someone wasn't shooting in the correct point. If you don't make damage in the front armor, you can shoot many time you want, you will not penetrate into. Just shoot at tank tracks, 2 hit kill accurate, maybe the Sherman gunner used this against you :)

[Thahat]

At current the armour model is trash, and the shermans are OP for how many of them there are. (and the german guns underpowered.) lets just hope it gets fixed in a new patch.

[Baronsworth]

引用自 Frappete：

We need footage man, who was the gunner? Where he shoot? If you don't kill a Jumbo whit 7 hits seems like someone wasn't shooting in the correct point. If you don't make damage in the front armor, you can shoot many time you want, you will not penetrate into. Just shoot at tank tracks, 2 hit kill accurate, maybe the Sherman gunner used this against you :)

Alright, so the tracks are the weak point? Got it.

I'm just saying that its unrealistic, a Panther should not have any problem destroying a Jumbo front to front. But its just bugged and broken, understandable as the game is EA. Still love Hell let loose but sometimes little things like this piss me off.

[Frappete]

引用自 Baronsworth：

引用自 Frappete：

We need footage man, who was the gunner? Where he shoot? If you don't kill a Jumbo whit 7 hits seems like someone wasn't shooting in the correct point. If you don't make damage in the front armor, you can shoot many time you want, you will not penetrate into. Just shoot at tank tracks, 2 hit kill accurate, maybe the Sherman gunner used this against you :)

Alright, so the tracks are the weak point? Got it.

I'm just saying that its unrealistic, a Panther should not have any problem destroying a Jumbo front to front. But its just bugged and broken, understandable as the game is EA. Still love Hell let loose but sometimes little things like this piss me off.

Mmh, sure that is correct? Some historical data could help

Jumbo has 101mm of armor on front, Panther 80mm on the front, teorically the Jumbo is well armored than the Panther. Maybe your shell have bounced on the armor or something blocked your hits? Whitout fotage it's hard to understand what's happend.

But i can tell you that this game is a mistery whit the armour model. First of all, the 2 shot kills on tracks are ridicolous, as the one-shot mine which should damage the tracks rather than blowing everything up. In a last match i was a Tiger driver, and the gunner shooted like 8-10 88mm on a Jumbo (from around 700-800mm) for killing it. Other time a Tiger just oneshotted me in a Jumbo from a longer distance... the Mysteries of Hell Let Loose

For the current state of the game, i advice you to adapt to the "realism" of game, instead of the realism of life. To avoid embarrassing clashes with other tanks, just target the tracks, the side armor and the rear, 2 shoot will be enough :)

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/m4a3e2-jumbo-assault-tank

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Panzer-V_Panther.php

[Cptn_Miller]

引用自 PanzerBrun：

引用自 Cptn_Miller：

Any vet tanker knows where to shoot, even a jumbo - turret ring, mg slots, ect. If you played any warthunder, can kill jumbo's np with panther if you know what u are doing, not that game is totally historically accurate, but its the best tank game atm especially in realistic / sim modes.

You obviously never herd of Steelbeasts. The only Tank sim that meets the standards of the defense departments of United States, Canada, Great Britain, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Australia, Greece, and a few more I can't think of. All 1960's to modern day equipment. The armor modeling and ballistics they use are sent directly from defense departments to the developers and not available to the general public for obvious reasons. Used mainly for training soldiers in a classroom setting. In fact Defense departments are 90% of their sales. A Personal Edition is available for Soldiers to train alone, or for the most hardcore armor nuts to use. I played this for 19 years with real tankers from all over the globe. Perhaps Warthunder is the best WW2 Sim, but nothing is close to Steelbeats ProPe.

Yep, good game, just prefer ww2 tanks vs modern. WT i mostly do line up of TigerH / JgdpzIV-L70 / SturerEmil.

Remember old school Panzer Elite ? was fantastic back in its day, wish they made sequels.

[Baronsworth]

引用自 Cptn_Miller：

引用自 PanzerBrun：

You obviously never herd of Steelbeasts. The only Tank sim that meets the standards of the defense departments of United States, Canada, Great Britain, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Australia, Greece, and a few more I can't think of. All 1960's to modern day equipment. The armor modeling and ballistics they use are sent directly from defense departments to the developers and not available to the general public for obvious reasons. Used mainly for training soldiers in a classroom setting. In fact Defense departments are 90% of their sales. A Personal Edition is available for Soldiers to train alone, or for the most hardcore armor nuts to use. I played this for 19 years with real tankers from all over the globe. Perhaps Warthunder is the best WW2 Sim, but nothing is close to Steelbeats ProPe.

Yep, good game, just prefer ww2 tanks vs modern. WT i mostly do line up of TigerH / JgdpzIV-L70 / SturerEmil.

Remember old school Panzer Elite ? was fantastic back in its day, wish they made sequels.

I remember Panzer Front....ps1. Damn, that was the best tank game ever made.

[Baronsworth]

引用自 Frappete：

引用自 Baronsworth：

Alright, so the tracks are the weak point? Got it.

I'm just saying that its unrealistic, a Panther should not have any problem destroying a Jumbo front to front. But its just bugged and broken, understandable as the game is EA. Still love Hell let loose but sometimes little things like this piss me off.

Mmh, sure that is correct? Some historical data could help

Jumbo has 101mm of armor on front, Panther 80mm on the front, teorically the Jumbo is well armored than the Panther. Maybe your shell have bounced on the armor or something blocked your hits? Whitout fotage it's hard to understand what's happend.

But i can tell you that this game is a mistery whit the armour model. First of all, the 2 shot kills on tracks are ridicolous, as the one-shot mine which should damage the tracks rather than blowing everything up. In a last match i was a Tiger driver, and the gunner shooted like 8-10 88mm on a Jumbo (from around 700-800mm) for killing it. Other time a Tiger just oneshotted me in a Jumbo from a longer distance... the Mysteries of Hell Let Loose

For the current state of the game, i advice you to adapt to the "realism" of game, instead of the realism of life. To avoid embarrassing clashes with other tanks, just target the tracks, the side armor and the rear, 2 shoot will be enough :)

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/m4a3e2-jumbo-assault-tank

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Panzer-V_Panther.php

Yep. The mysteries of hell let loose....