CHEATS & HACKS - Community Discussion

[VordenX]

Now like a lot of you I have spent hundreds of hours playing and supporting this game, recently I have been the victim of several hackers playing across various servers. When I do say something there is always a bright spark who says something like, there are no hacks or you just a bad player and so on, which is BS. If you don’t believe me google it and you will find some examples.

What I want to know from the developers is what are you guys doing and going to do to prevent this stuff from happening? I can tell you that if it continues like it is it will get out of hand and you will start to loose many players. We need to be able to identify and report cases where you know something is up when you are lying in the thick grass and someone takes you out from across the field with one shot. And not once but several times in one match.

Please Devs, don’t ignore this, take it upon yourselves as a responsibility to look after your fans who have supported you from the very beginning.

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If anyone in the community has experienced this and you are sure its a hacker then please post your experience here on this discussion so that the Devs can see just how bad it is.

PS: On a side note any people wanting to add stupid comments to this please throw your computer out the window as its not needed!

[DrunkBunny94]

Any evidence of them in your games?

[Apples]

The thing is, you can really only suspect. Yes there are working cheats without a doubt, but the fact is, did the player who shot you have eyes on, or did he 1 shot you through a bush 100m away without actually being able too see you (legitimately).

(Before any bright spark jumps in - There is a difference between randomly shooting and 1 shot-ing a player bang on every time.)


The problem is you'll never know if he had eyes on in the current setup, you'll only be able to suspect, as their is no confirmation otherwise, and unless that specific player wears a clown hat it can be hard to even tell in a Close Combat situation that it's the same guy every time.

[⛧Kairos⛧]

Its honestly hard to say how many people are cheating. The ones that are really obvious are like the one i saw yesterday. Brand new player under rank 25, 800 combat effectiveness as a squad leader locked in a solo squad. Every time hes kill you it would be a super sus kill like youd be prone in a corn field only to get domed all the sudden while your looking at your map from a mile away.

[VordenX]

Publicado originalmente por datCookie:

Hacks do exist, very few people will deny that. However, it's damn near impossible to determine if a player is hacking or not, unless it's completely and blatantly obvious.

You say you came across several hackers over various different servers, yet provide no details as to what your experience exactly was. What was the situation that convinced you someone was hacking? We need details.

I've been a server admin for HLL for about 12 months now and I can tell you that I've only ever encountered one or two actual confirmed hackers.

Is it likely there are more hiding in the shadows that we cannot confirm? Yes, absolutely. Even if this were true however, they're not really giving themselves or their team an edge because no one is standing out amongst the crowd with their combat scores.

The very nature of HLL is such that you will often be downed in one hit and more often than not, not know where from or how someone managed to do it. I've had MANY such occasions where it seemed like someone shouldn't have seen me, let alone hit me, yet they did. I've also had just as many occasions where I've shot someone and thought "They probably think someone is hacking, the poor buggers".

To what hacks are currently known; the developers most certainly aren't ignoring the issue. I've spoken directly to one of the developers personally and been assured that they're working closely with EAC to minimise this issue as much as possible.

That being said, I will always maintain that the issue of hacking just isn't as large as some people make it out or think it to be. Majority of situations are just straight up bad luck, whilst others are a "git gud" type of deal.

Well for one your profile is private, your steam score is "0" and why are you asking me for proof, what are you going to do with the proof except try to dress it down. ANYHOOOO we shall move on.

[Apples]

Publicado originalmente por VordenX ™:

Publicado originalmente por datCookie:

Hacks do exist, very few people will deny that. However, it's damn near impossible to determine if a player is hacking or not, unless it's completely and blatantly obvious.

You say you came across several hackers over various different servers, yet provide no details as to what your experience exactly was. What was the situation that convinced you someone was hacking? We need details.

I've been a server admin for HLL for about 12 months now and I can tell you that I've only ever encountered one or two actual confirmed hackers.

Is it likely there are more hiding in the shadows that we cannot confirm? Yes, absolutely. Even if this were true however, they're not really giving themselves or their team an edge because no one is standing out amongst the crowd with their combat scores.

The very nature of HLL is such that you will often be downed in one hit and more often than not, not know where from or how someone managed to do it. I've had MANY such occasions where it seemed like someone shouldn't have seen me, let alone hit me, yet they did. I've also had just as many occasions where I've shot someone and thought "They probably think someone is hacking, the poor buggers".

To what hacks are currently known; the developers most certainly aren't ignoring the issue. I've spoken directly to one of the developers personally and been assured that they're working closely with EAC to minimise this issue as much as possible.

That being said, I will always maintain that the issue of hacking just isn't as large as some people make it out or think it to be. Majority of situations are just straight up bad luck, whilst others are a "git gud" type of deal.

Well for one your profile is private, your steam score is "0" and why are you asking me for proof, what are you going to do with the proof except try to dress it down. ANYHOOOO we shall move on.

You need proof to help identify cheaters.. with what he said he isn't wrong for the most part.

[ravioli]

Hacking in HLL is very frequent and pretty blatant. The problem is because a large portion of the community here is about as toxic and dev riding as I've ever seen they'll deny it being a major issue. Ever since the two most common hacks came out I've been saying it's an issue but I've been fought tooth and nail that I'm a big idiot dummy who cant shoot.

The problem is with fog, no spectator, no demo recording, no nothing - everyone can just say "well you didnt see him" or "well you aren't good enough".

So it's easier for the HLL fanboys to basically just say it's not a problem. The amount of times I've been shot by snipers and MG's from literally THROUGH a hill is nuts. And that's squad mates telling me they heard the shot in a place where I cannot be hit from without cheats. It's every other game quite frankly.

It's nearly impossible to "prove" obvious cheating here because it's about context with this game. Unless the devs either solve it or implement tools to show it they could be spin botting for all we know and it doesn't matter. They'll just hide next to a rock and spin bot away without anyone ever even finding them.

[Data-7]

Publicado originalmente por VordenX ™:

Publicado originalmente por datCookie:

Hacks do exist, very few people will deny that. However, it's damn near impossible to determine if a player is hacking or not, unless it's completely and blatantly obvious.

You say you came across several hackers over various different servers, yet provide no details as to what your experience exactly was. What was the situation that convinced you someone was hacking? We need details.

I've been a server admin for HLL for about 12 months now and I can tell you that I've only ever encountered one or two actual confirmed hackers.

Is it likely there are more hiding in the shadows that we cannot confirm? Yes, absolutely. Even if this were true however, they're not really giving themselves or their team an edge because no one is standing out amongst the crowd with their combat scores.

The very nature of HLL is such that you will often be downed in one hit and more often than not, not know where from or how someone managed to do it. I've had MANY such occasions where it seemed like someone shouldn't have seen me, let alone hit me, yet they did. I've also had just as many occasions where I've shot someone and thought "They probably think someone is hacking, the poor buggers".

To what hacks are currently known; the developers most certainly aren't ignoring the issue. I've spoken directly to one of the developers personally and been assured that they're working closely with EAC to minimise this issue as much as possible.

That being said, I will always maintain that the issue of hacking just isn't as large as some people make it out or think it to be. Majority of situations are just straight up bad luck, whilst others are a "git gud" type of deal.

Well for one your profile is private, your steam score is "0" and why are you asking me for proof, what are you going to do with the proof except try to dress it down. ANYHOOOO we shall move on.

These forums have always a band of fanboy or people paid for attack uncomfortable people and support the game even when it is indefensible.
Anyway somethimes happend to be snipe by a single arty shot or get a single hit in the head when you are strafe in the smoke or behind the hedge is really suspicious. Most of the time i realized that depends by the game bus, the problem of the grass, the height of the player when lying down are all problems of this game and make some kill very suspicious.
However, there are many videos on internet so sure there is someone who plays dirty and at the moment it is impossible to prove it.

[Psycha]

Maybe the grass patch and community death screams will flush hackers out lol

[[L9] JamesDaniels]

A lot of hackers in this game now and it's getting worse. Not to mention people lowering their graphics to see through brush and losers broadcasting their games to the other team.

[Uromies]

I was going to buy this game, but when i noticed this kind of chats, i realized that theres huge hacker problemin this game. I wont spend a penny. Used to play BF5 but those hackers pushed me away from my dear fragging hobby ;(
In practice, hackers steal money from game manufacturers as buyers begin to avoid games with inoperable hack protection

[FrankyFourFingers]

Spraying through bushes is my pleasure.

[hitem]

If you have nvidia card, run shadowplay and start posting videos.
Cheats exist, cheaters to. But i have yeat to encounter one. The maps are wast and servers plenty. Play on servers with active admins.

I have, personaly, smacked a squad of 16+ ppl by myself by having right possition, right gun and grenades. I bet they all thought it was a cheater that hit em hard (hitem, tehe).

Anyhow, the evidence burden is on you. EAC is a fairly heavy anticheat and it, depending on the licenes HLL has, have machinelearning and AI, it will learn from the data collected whats its normal and not.

[TankGoodness]

I have gone through the same crap and have a post on it suggesting to search You Tube for Hell Let Loose Cheaters and you see what these punks are doing.

Honestly I cant see the enjoyment these morons get from using these cheats it is pretty lame and looks so boring, and if they brag about what they are doing shows how pathetic and immature these ♥♥♥♥♥ are, kinda like jerks in school who pick on people who enjoy life, Kinda jerks who grow up to be worthless, empty shells, with no soul or future.

I was told to choose "Community Servers because they are monitored by Admin and the games are more fair though sometimes I wonder if they must momentarily pop into these servers to wreak havoc until they get booted, like random terrorist.....sad, sad, people.

[TankGoodness]

Damien are you trying to say we who are complaining, are clueless, and what?....a waste in your eyes?
Sounds like you are a little defensive, may be a suspect of cheating yourself. What you don't want the joy-ride to come to an end?
Cheaters/Hackers and pathetic TK's are out there...look it up...or wait you see waste in your eyes.

[Marmalade the Cat]

We've all seens them tbh.. easy to spot but difficult to prove. The only way atm is to follow them, 1on1, and try and get some video evidence.. they seem to catch onto that pretty quickly however.

But in all fairness, I've sprayed a BAR from 200m and domed multiple players behind hedges more than once, and hip fired through trees and fields with the same result. The hitreg is def funky, and having a tiny projectile occupying the exact xyz coords of someones body parts at distance would be incredibly rare in the real world, but happens far more often in HLL than it should imo. It sometimes feels statistics are more causative of kills than actual accuracy.

Additionally, being in an effective squad makes a huge difference, many new/mid players take a while to realise that having the the best skill/reflexes in the world alone is no match for 6 good sets of eyes and weapons.

But we would all agree, server admins should be given far more tools as a priority. If cheats gain a foothold it can lead to people leaving and never coming back, or worse, telling friends its a hack fest of a game. Devs should be actively working on these right now.

Lastly, in defence of DatCookie, he's one of us, and a very level headed admin who gets just as frustrated when there seems to be some skullduggery at hand. But won't ban anyone without proof, as it should be. In fact, most good admins wont ban players willy nilly.

Because the player base, and a full server, is actually an invaluable commodity to have.