Clear cheating and failure to monitor the game

[templars83]

Talked to too many veterans and have seen so many sketchy games in the last month, I'm done till they clean this game up. You see things, you report it to an admin, then tons of clowns chime at level 20 and below and say lol there is no cheating, as at level 15 aimbot boy has 57 kills. It's just not fun being shot through walls or my latest favorite - head shot crawling through the pink flowers on the new map.

I don't mind being outskilled - but smart tactical play then getting head shot the split second you turn the corner pretty much speaks to the enemy seeing you via the ole wall hack. I'm level 142, and have gotten many of the achievements but now it's just NOT fun. At least in CSGO I can see a guy bunny hop - and frankly I'd just as soon see the bunny hops here - at least i can identify the cheater that way.

[kafersaft]

I don't think I've seen anybody claim there's absolutely no cheating going on in HLL, despite every one of these threads about cheaters claiming such. What people are typically telling you guys is that the cheating isn't as bad as you would make it out to be, but you hear what you want to hear I suppose.

[yoder51]

so considering the same comments on tarkov as "there isnt as much cheating as you think" that is a wrong assumption just left a game where there were atleast 10 cheaters instant headshots kills through cover, people soaking entire clips from tanks etc there is cheating and it is way more than you think there literally is an entire community that has their only purpose to circumvent the easy anti cheat service earlier in the day you wont see too many but get on late at night and it is rampant the only way to get them out is to find their names and get them banned by server admins but even then it is still hard to find them

[Roovka]

yoder51 eredeti hozzászólása:

so considering the same comments on tarkov as "there isnt as much cheating as you think" that is a wrong assumption just left a game where there were atleast 10 cheaters instant headshots kills through cover, people soaking entire clips from tanks etc there is cheating and it is way more than you think there literally is an entire community that has their only purpose to circumvent the easy anti cheat service earlier in the day you wont see too many but get on late at night and it is rampant the only way to get them out is to find their names and get them banned by server admins but even then it is still hard to find them

Sounds like you're playing on official servers or something. If "at least 10 cheaters" are in a game insta doming people and being invincible, then don't join that server again since clearly the admins are awful.

Also please learn to use some punctuation. So hard to read what you said.

[Release]

Not seen any cheaters in over a year tbh

[Flashz]

templars83 eredeti hozzászólása:

Talked to too many veterans and have seen so many sketchy games in the last month, I'm done till they clean this game up. You see things, you report it to an admin, then tons of clowns chime at level 20 and below and say lol there is no cheating, as at level 15 aimbot boy has 57 kills. It's just not fun being shot through walls or my latest favorite - head shot crawling through the pink flowers on the new map.

I don't mind being outskilled - but smart tactical play then getting head shot the split second you turn the corner pretty much speaks to the enemy seeing you via the ole wall hack. I'm level 142, and have gotten many of the achievements but now it's just NOT fun. At least in CSGO I can see a guy bunny hop - and frankly I'd just as soon see the bunny hops here - at least i can identify the cheater that way.

totally agree with you, most likely the people who say things like ( i not seen any ) or try and make out the games not infected with cheaters are them self's cheaters or couldn't spot a cheater. using map hacks aim bots and all the other crap they now do. showing garri, ops, nodes supplies. one google search comes up with 10's of pages and youtube videos trying to sell them. all boasting how they easily bypass easi anty cheat ( which is and has always been the WORST anti cheat ever ).

Its become a lot worse since the game went on sale.

whats more shocking is the total lack of people that want to stop it. soon as anyone posts about cheaters the post gets infected with scum trolls and D heads.

After 1000+ hours and playing to many competitive games to count, i find that cheaters have become a real problem to the point where it will kill the game.

[Roovka]

BDSQ FlashZ eredeti hozzászólása:

templars83 eredeti hozzászólása:

Talked to too many veterans and have seen so many sketchy games in the last month, I'm done till they clean this game up. You see things, you report it to an admin, then tons of clowns chime at level 20 and below and say lol there is no cheating, as at level 15 aimbot boy has 57 kills. It's just not fun being shot through walls or my latest favorite - head shot crawling through the pink flowers on the new map.

I don't mind being outskilled - but smart tactical play then getting head shot the split second you turn the corner pretty much speaks to the enemy seeing you via the ole wall hack. I'm level 142, and have gotten many of the achievements but now it's just NOT fun. At least in CSGO I can see a guy bunny hop - and frankly I'd just as soon see the bunny hops here - at least i can identify the cheater that way.

totally agree with you, most likely the people who say things like ( i not seen any ) or try and make out the games not infected with cheaters are them self's cheaters or couldn't spot a cheater. using map hacks aim bots and all the other crap they now do. showing garri, ops, nodes supplies. one google search comes up with 10's of pages and youtube videos trying to sell them. all boasting how they easily bypass easi anty cheat ( which is and has always been the WORST anti cheat ever ).

Its become a lot worse since the game went on sale.

whats more shocking is the total lack of people that want to stop it. soon as anyone posts about cheaters the post gets infected with scum trolls and D heads.

After 1000+ hours and playing to many competitive games to count, i find that cheaters have become a real problem to the point where it will kill the game.

"I don't mind being outskilled"
Clearly. LOL

[Rosenrot]

Yeah a few days with the the new update, and all the hackers are back at it, esp, taking down garrys, headshots.. If you hide you'll get to see the ones who come straight towards you and shoot. junk level game.

[blizzardout]

Rosenrot eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah a few days with the the new update, and all the hackers are back at it, esp, taking down garrys, headshots.. If you hide you'll get to see the ones who come straight towards you and shoot. junk level game.

absolutely the game has become just stupid... not to mention the speed and your trying to kill someone with a bolt action and they run right by you.... if you miss your dead but hey everyone that fought in the war were olympic sprinters right?

[Ezequiel]

While I enjoy the everyday presence of roovka and emil here on steam discussion, youll always wonder what do they get defending the game and not helping the community solve issues? Are they real gamers and part of community or there are paid commentors here? 🤡

I will quote a comment i saw in facebook HLL community - someone asked "why cheat?" Here is the comment:

"Most people here who says they play for 999999 hours and didnt see hacks are mostly too old or no sense of a real fps game who doesnt know hacks capabilities or they hack thenmselves and they do not want it patched/fixed.

Most of the cheaters here in HLL are not aimbots/speedhack/fly etc or the ones that you can easily spot. Cheaters are not stupid and the game wont let you know if someone is using wallhacks / ESP.

Thats what most players use in this game. Pretending to be all so good at spotting enemies. You all know what im talking about. If You can sense theres something wrong? Probably high chance there is. Thats the problem with this game. Easy to hack and no evidence they are hacking.

They blame it on the game lacking rendering, skill issues, gitgud etc and all excuses but truth is even the hack defenders here and on steam uses wallhacks and ESPs, they just dont want it patched coz its their advantage so theyll keep on saying theres no hacks. Its just a matter of whos team uses it well wins. People will also tell you to go play on community servers with active admins to avoid cheaters and if you ask them what server they wont give it as you can check the status of the server. Theres a pattern with all the same excuses and replies you will get just to pretend that this game has no hacks as it claims to be.

Check steam discussions and look for the cheat and hack topics, you will get same replies and its weird.

WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT HLL DOES NOT HAVE RAMPANT HACKS WHILE 100% OF OTHER FPS/MP GAMES ARE INFESTED WITH IT? HLL SO SPECIAL? EVEN AAA HIGH QUALITY BIG GAMES ARE INFESTED AND YOU ARE SAYING HLL HAS NO CHEATERS? LOL"

[Roovka]

Ezequiel eredeti hozzászólása:

While I enjoy the everyday presence of roovka and emil here on steam discussion, youll always wonder what do they get defending the game and not helping the community solve issues? Are they real gamers and part of community or there are paid commentors here? 🤡

I will quote a comment i saw in facebook HLL community - someone asked "why cheat?" Here is the comment:

"Most people here who says they play for 999999 hours and didnt see hacks are mostly too old or no sense of a real fps game who doesnt know hacks capabilities or they hack thenmselves and they do not want it patched/fixed.

Most of the cheaters here in HLL are not aimbots/speedhack/fly etc or the ones that you can easily spot. Cheaters are not stupid and the game wont let you know if someone is using wallhacks / ESP.

Thats what most players use in this game. Pretending to be all so good at spotting enemies. You all know what im talking about. If You can sense theres something wrong? Probably high chance there is. Thats the problem with this game. Easy to hack and no evidence they are hacking.

They blame it on the game lacking rendering, skill issues, gitgud etc and all excuses but truth is even the hack defenders here and on steam uses wallhacks and ESPs, they just dont want it patched coz its their advantage so theyll keep on saying theres no hacks. Its just a matter of whos team uses it well wins. People will also tell you to go play on community servers with active admins to avoid cheaters and if you ask them what server they wont give it as you can check the status of the server. Theres a pattern with all the same excuses and replies you will get just to pretend that this game has no hacks as it claims to be.

Check steam discussions and look for the cheat and hack topics, you will get same replies and its weird.

WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT HLL DOES NOT HAVE RAMPANT HACKS WHILE 100% OF OTHER FPS/MP GAMES ARE INFESTED WITH IT? HLL SO SPECIAL? EVEN AAA HIGH QUALITY BIG GAMES ARE INFESTED AND YOU ARE SAYING HLL HAS NO CHEATERS? LOL"

Alternatively: You aren't very good at the game and blaming "rampant cheats" is more appealing to your fragile ego than actually improving. Which is the case for a majority of individuals like yourself.

[qiqifallen]

Roovka eredeti hozzászólása:

Ezequiel eredeti hozzászólása:

While I enjoy the everyday presence of roovka and emil here on steam discussion, youll always wonder what do they get defending the game and not helping the community solve issues? Are they real gamers and part of community or there are paid commentors here? 🤡

I will quote a comment i saw in facebook HLL community - someone asked "why cheat?" Here is the comment:

"Most people here who says they play for 999999 hours and didnt see hacks are mostly too old or no sense of a real fps game who doesnt know hacks capabilities or they hack thenmselves and they do not want it patched/fixed.

Most of the cheaters here in HLL are not aimbots/speedhack/fly etc or the ones that you can easily spot. Cheaters are not stupid and the game wont let you know if someone is using wallhacks / ESP.

Thats what most players use in this game. Pretending to be all so good at spotting enemies. You all know what im talking about. If You can sense theres something wrong? Probably high chance there is. Thats the problem with this game. Easy to hack and no evidence they are hacking.

They blame it on the game lacking rendering, skill issues, gitgud etc and all excuses but truth is even the hack defenders here and on steam uses wallhacks and ESPs, they just dont want it patched coz its their advantage so theyll keep on saying theres no hacks. Its just a matter of whos team uses it well wins. People will also tell you to go play on community servers with active admins to avoid cheaters and if you ask them what server they wont give it as you can check the status of the server. Theres a pattern with all the same excuses and replies you will get just to pretend that this game has no hacks as it claims to be.

Check steam discussions and look for the cheat and hack topics, you will get same replies and its weird.

WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT HLL DOES NOT HAVE RAMPANT HACKS WHILE 100% OF OTHER FPS/MP GAMES ARE INFESTED WITH IT? HLL SO SPECIAL? EVEN AAA HIGH QUALITY BIG GAMES ARE INFESTED AND YOU ARE SAYING HLL HAS NO CHEATERS? LOL"

Alternatively: You aren't very good at the game and blaming "rampant cheats" is more appealing to your fragile ego than actually improving. Which is the case for a majority of individuals like yourself.

Not really a great comeback when he has some legitimate points. You just assume he's bad at the game? What if he isn't? But it is interesting how you always defend the game. I'll tell you I'm definitely better than the average player (not hard, I know) and I kinda agree about cheaters being fairly common in the game. I have enough hours in the game am just not completely oblivious to tell. It's a legitimate issue that deserves attention. It brings down the quality of the game. Even one cheater is too many. Why should we just disregard it completely?

[Roovka]

qiqifallen eredeti hozzászólása:

Roovka eredeti hozzászólása:

Alternatively: You aren't very good at the game and blaming "rampant cheats" is more appealing to your fragile ego than actually improving. Which is the case for a majority of individuals like yourself.

Not really a great comeback when he has some legitimate points. You just assume he's bad at the game? What if he isn't? But it is interesting how you always defend the game. I'll tell you I'm definitely better than the average player (not hard, I know) and I kinda agree about cheaters being fairly common in the game. I have enough hours in the game am just not completely oblivious to tell. It's a legitimate issue that deserves attention. It brings down the quality of the game. Even one cheater is too many. Why should we just disregard it completely?

They're not even his points. He says he copy and pasted them from a facebook comment.

I do assume he's just bad at the game because there's context that is now hidden from the rest of the community. When he originally started posting here, he had his steam profile public and his playtime was sub 50 hours.

People also seem to wrongly assume I'm "defending the game" when I'm just giving my own takes that are made from a balanced perspective of playing 100s of FPS games in nearly every genre in existence for over 20 years. If you asked me about another game, you might find my perspective entirely different, but people don't do that.

Cheaters are always less prevalent in games with no form of rewards or leaderboards. I'm not saying they don't exist, I have never denied their existence, but when you're speaking to people who believe the "1 in 3 players are cheating" quote like Ezeq, meaning that they legitimately think that 33 players per HLL match are cheating, saying that you'll only find 1-2 in a match if any at all is going to upset people like that.

I agree with you about the "one cheater is too many" but to me there's no valid way to make the problem fully without some very extreme compromises.

[Darnell Biggumz]

There's cheaters and many of the people defending them are probably cheating. Played this game for years and its in the worst state with cheating than its ever been. It's clear cut. You usually just get the "git gud" message from people. Seriously became a toxic environment in the forums when you're only trying to help the game be as legit as possible by calling it out. I've been chastised over many post I've made with evidence and it's just not worth even mentioning anymore when the people trolling have an IQ of 2 and apparently want the game in a ♥♥♥♥ state.

[Wolf]

Yeah, the aimbots are getting ridiculous. SHame the true scummy trash of the earth get to ruin games for everyone.

[qiqifallen]

Roovka eredeti hozzászólása:

qiqifallen eredeti hozzászólása:

Not really a great comeback when he has some legitimate points. You just assume he's bad at the game? What if he isn't? But it is interesting how you always defend the game. I'll tell you I'm definitely better than the average player (not hard, I know) and I kinda agree about cheaters being fairly common in the game. I have enough hours in the game am just not completely oblivious to tell. It's a legitimate issue that deserves attention. It brings down the quality of the game. Even one cheater is too many. Why should we just disregard it completely?

They're not even his points. He says he copy and pasted them from a facebook comment.

I do assume he's just bad at the game because there's context that is now hidden from the rest of the community. When he originally started posting here, he had his steam profile public and his playtime was sub 50 hours.

People also seem to wrongly assume I'm "defending the game" when I'm just giving my own takes that are made from a balanced perspective of playing 100s of FPS games in nearly every genre in existence for over 20 years. If you asked me about another game, you might find my perspective entirely different, but people don't do that.

Cheaters are always less prevalent in games with no form of rewards or leaderboards. I'm not saying they don't exist, I have never denied their existence, but when you're speaking to people who believe the "1 in 3 players are cheating" quote like Ezeq, meaning that they legitimately think that 33 players per HLL match are cheating, saying that you'll only find 1-2 in a match if any at all is going to upset people like that.

I agree with you about the "one cheater is too many" but to me there's no valid way to make the problem fully without some very extreme compromises.

Fair enough. Sorry about calling you out like that. Guess I'm just annoyed at their existence and there being no real solution to it like you said. But I do wish at least a little more effort was made against them.

If only there was just a little more fear that cheats were being actively investigated and the threat of being caught/banned more real and immenint - I think that could be a better reality. But I realize that kind of work takes resources and has little incentive (because most cheaters probably go undetected, so it doesn't affect public opinion of the game much). But maybe awareness would make a difference, I don't know.