The game is starting to suck because of the players

[Bayonet]

As a low level, relatively new player, I have no business or knowledge of being SL as I'm too busy still learning all the aspects of the game, and the classes. Over the past week or 2, I've noticed a gamebreaking trend called "A team of locked squads" most of them with only 3 pers. I checked one game and there were 15 peeps looking to join squads. That's 30% of our team not even playing. When I do get into a Sqd, the chatter about the subject always leads to "I dislike being SL, but do it because no one else will". The other trend is forming a squad, then leaving it immediately after spawning. For us newbs, that means no OPs with a reduced spawn delay, and generally ANOTHER marathon from the closest garrison(after waiting a longer period). Games are finishing in under 20 mins lately. By the time I find a squad, the famous " Your HQ sector is being captured" message appears, and peeps are ragequitting. I say remove the lock squad button.

[Kuollut]

I'm with you but I have to say, locked squads with 3 pers, as you said ... they are friends and probably they talk on discord/ts3 ... and they will do much more than a full squad with no mics, the most annoying ones are the ones who create a squad then switch role... why nobody wants to play SL? I'm almost rank 10 on SL, my highest rank of all the roles so I played with it a bit and why I no longer like to play as a SL?

I don't want to take the blame when losing. I don't want to lead strangers which 80% will not even speak and won't listen to my orders... I want to be relaxed when I play, and SL isn't so chill to play because you have so much sh*t to do just like the commander. That's just my opinion.

[Hylie Pistof]

as @Kuollut said, we all want to relax when playing.

the expectation of the players and blaming the SL for missing their expectations is one reason not much people like to take that role.

it is a problem of this genre, a somehow arcady roleplay wargame, attracts alot of people who dont actualy want to play that way.
its just such a nice view on WW2 and some vids are so amazing and 100 players against eachother (yes also against the own team if THEY think the command is crap).

ragequitting is just one expression how casual these players are, if they dont win from the start they leave.

a sidenote: when a squad is locked, you can ask to join. most likey just a few friends joined and they wont hesitate to fill the ranks with strangers then.

even if they have a lead, and he/she tries everything to please you (by setting up an OP, the only reason most want a SL) the often dont play as squad (all rambos out there).
and the SL has to cope with 2 chat channels, and the proximity chat, looking on the map most of the time, getting shot because no one is NEAR him to protect.

many chitty chat in squad or command chat doesnt help either. i mean.. nice when we communicate, but that doesnt have to be a lifes story including the familly back to napoleons wars ^^

its one thing to teach newbees the ropes, but i dont want to argue about what game mechanics of other games would be nice to have... do that in a FORUM, not ingame

i do aggree, the players are the greatest flaw of this game, but thats because they just dont play as intended.
its not only no SL's, all have to fill in their role and do what is needed.

and even then, the other team could be just a bit more successfull. what leads to those ragequitters who HAVE to WIN every game or its lame

YOU cant do anything but continue playing until you realise that it is fun to play, no matter the outcom
I have already lost the 3rd point 50sec befor the time ran out , those games are the most thrilling ones, 2 equal teams fighting back ond forth for 90 mins.

but if you arent up for that... sry, we will miss you (as weapon and moving target XD)

[Emil]

Feel free to be a SL if you're interested in it. I started out as soon as I was able to grasp the mechanics (deploying OPs/garrisons with supplies and basic map-related common sense). Of course, experience from other games help as well, but foremost and all I think communication is the most important aspect. I've had instances where SLs say they're new and/or ask questions and there's always been someone helpful responding to them. Same goes for just saying hello to encourage communication within the squads. It's everyones responsibility to not be what they seem to dislike.

Experienced SLs will die out if newcomers doesn't dare to take up our responsibilities.

I only lock my squad whenever I got 3/4 mates with me and we're all communicating in Swedish, aside from me using English in the command channel. Sometimes I do leave the squad unlocked though (to improve my chances at getting supplies), but give no promises of communication, but when I'm a lone SL or with fewer mates I'll always actively communicate in English in an unlocked squad. I get tired nonetheless though, because my mates may be as bad at delivering supplies as public players, or become roles/be good at required roles, e.g. when a tank is pushing the OP.

[Strontium Dog]

Don't be afraid to be a squad leader it's not that hard, I've been an sl from day one, sadly I don't give it my all anymore because I can't be arsed.
I do like it when squadmates try to give me advice though, that's always good for a laugh.

[Vlenzo]

Plz will someone else squad lead for me and also command for me and drop all the nodes for me and maybe a few garrisons for me its a team game

[Bayonet]

Originally posted by Vlenzo:

Plz will someone else squad lead for me and also command for me and drop all the nodes for me and maybe a few garrisons for me its a team game

And I'll build nodes and drop supplies as support, FOR YOU, as it's a team game. Your "tone" reminds me of a song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E929gqIcwwI

[Pessimus Prime]

Exactly my experience - with the exception that I already even saw a lot of closed one-man-squads. And sometimes only closed, closed, closed, and perhaps you not always WANT to drive a tank, do the commander or do the SL yourself in lack of alternatives. And so indeed it often happens that the first member that leaves the squad is the SL - what means no (new) outposts and other disadvantages. :-P

But well, this problem is just one example of several "community"-lacks here and not just here... ;-P

[StormhawkV]

This one's on the devs. Games that rely on a player taking a leading role so that others can play and enjoy the game need to satisfy this type of player because once they leave everyone suffers. The devs didn't want to give us tools to moderate our squads, they couldn't even be bothered to give us good comms... and this is the result.

[La crampe]

Originally posted by Bayonet:

As a low level, relatively new player, I have no business or knowledge of being SL as I'm too busy still learning all the aspects of the game, and the classes. Over the past week or 2, I've noticed a gamebreaking trend called "A team of locked squads" most of them with only 3 pers. I checked one game and there were 15 peeps looking to join squads. That's 30% of our team not even playing. When I do get into a Sqd, the chatter about the subject always leads to "I dislike being SL, but do it because no one else will". The other trend is forming a squad, then leaving it immediately after spawning. For us newbs, that means no OPs with a reduced spawn delay, and generally ANOTHER marathon from the closest garrison(after waiting a longer period). Games are finishing in under 20 mins lately. By the time I find a squad, the famous " Your HQ sector is being captured" message appears, and peeps are ragequitting. I say remove the lock squad button.:NATO:

you can also try to see things from the other side and ask yourself: but why the SL with experience now refuse to play since the famous free weekend which brought back a lot of new players?

you always take the excuse of being new so you don't have to listen to orders and play something other than rifleman or machine gunner... It's not all new players of course but there are still a lot of them , this game is not about doing PIOU PIOU!

You know since this famous weekend I'm talking about I have the impression that this game has become battlefield 5, no communication, no teamwork, no will, individualism, people only come to play their small personal score... do you think it makes you want to play with the new ones?

you can't find anyone to play SL anymore, because all the players who played this role simply got out of disgust and suddenly as no new one wants to play anything other than rifleman or machine gunner well now you can't play anymore, thank you 'to have killed this game because of your bad will...

[Kelath]

Originally posted by Bayonet:

"A team of locked squads" most of them with only 3 pers.

Sometimes they're on arty. Other times they're friends on discord, so even if you did join communication would be lacking in normal chat. Other times its because they are trying to get as much of the squad from the previous game into the new squad before unlocking it.

That said, you can still request to join those squads and for the few times I've been on squads that do that it usually filters out those not afraid to talk, so they can be pretty good squads.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

I checked one game and there were 15 peeps looking to join squads. That's 30% of our team not even playing.

Ya. I'm guilty of that as well and I'm rank 154, level 10+ (+ because they stop tracking points at that level) SL. But it's because I'm focused on trying to get two roles up to where I want them to be, else I'd be SL more, as I do enjoy it. Just depends on my mood, my goals, etc.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

When I do get into a Sqd, the chatter about the subject always leads to "I dislike being SL, but do it because no one else will".

Probably because they wanted to focus on other roles, or just wanted to relax this game, now they have to deal with everything that comes with commanding a squad, if they want a good game. I mean, some SL do the bare minimum.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

The other trend is forming a squad, then leaving it immediately after spawning. For us newbs, that means no OPs with a reduced spawn delay, and generally ANOTHER marathon from the closest garrison(after waiting a longer period).

This drives me nuts. But's that's been going on since I started playing. Depending on garry placement, I sometimes don't care and just keep playing in the squad using it as a time where I can sort of learn/try things. Always look at the bright side of things.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

Games are finishing in under 20 mins lately. By the time I find a squad, the famous " Your HQ sector is being captured" message appears, and peeps are ragequitting. I say remove the lock squad button.:NATO:

Interesting. I might find a steamroll game maybe 1 out of every 10 games, sometimes twice in a row depending on server, but then that's a sign to change servers :)

Originally posted by Pessimus Prime:

Exactly my experience - with the exception that I already even saw a lot of closed one-man-squads.

I've done that a few times, mainly because I have a specific mission in mind, such as putting down a garry deep in enemy territory and I generally take a supply truck as well. Or I'm just so annoyed with the team in general that I just want to do my own thing for a bit.

ALSO, I've noticed sometimes that someone doing arty does that. It's better then joining a squad and having the officer say, which has happened, don't expect OPs I'm going to be on arty.

Originally posted by La crampe:

you can't find anyone to play SL anymore, because all the players who played this role simply got out of disgust

Well... Not everyone. I enjoy playing SL, because I know I can do better then most, since most don't communicate and/or don't have a strategy apart from attack point head on, or defend point from inside it with everyone else until you're squeezed to death.

I love flanking the enemy who is flanking us. I love sneaking into a position where I can still put down an OP and maybe a garry to get behind the enemies flanks. I love the games where my squad works like clockwork and while everyone else is defending because for some reasons its takes 6+ squads to defend a point, we take over the next point on our own, then take care of arty without the ability to put down OPs, then retake the point because our team lost it (yes, that happened, it was an amazing game and I had an amazing squad of strangers + 1 friend).

Squad leading isn't for everyone, this game has 3 different types of play styles. The grunt, the squad lead and the commander. Depending on the type of game you want to play, depends on the type of role you accept.

There are a few reasons why I don't go squad lead more than I do, even when the "no platoon" list is large.

1) I'm working on other roles that I really want. I'm working on two roles right now, so my squad lead time is at a minimum, maybe 3-5 times a week.

2) I want to relax because my day was tough and don't need the added stress of being SL, I just want to be told where to go and shoot things.

3) The previous game recon let down the team by letting arty crush us, so I decided to go spotter and do recon things, it's also great if I've had a stressful day and want something even more laid back then infantry.

I think those are the primary reasons. Beyond that, depending on the game/team if the SL leaves I sometimes pick it up. Again depends on what I'm trying to get out of the game at that moment. Had a game yesterday where the squad lead left and a few of us still stuck together using the garry and we defended the point, it was fun, even without an SL and we could keep working on the roles we were working on.

If you're having REALLY bad luck with certain servers, look for other servers. I have about 10-15 in my favorites that I switch between and sometimes I look for new servers to add. Some can be really bad sometimes, some can be really good. You just have to mix it up.

[La crampe]

Originally posted by Kelath:

Originally posted by Bayonet:

"A team of locked squads" most of them with only 3 pers.

Sometimes they're on arty. Other times they're friends on discord, so even if you did join communication would be lacking in normal chat. Other times its because they are trying to get as much of the squad from the previous game into the new squad before unlocking it.

That said, you can still request to join those squads and for the few times I've been on squads that do that it usually filters out those not afraid to talk, so they can be pretty good squads.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

I checked one game and there were 15 peeps looking to join squads. That's 30% of our team not even playing.

Ya. I'm guilty of that as well and I'm rank 154, level 10+ (+ because they stop tracking points at that level) SL. But it's because I'm focused on trying to get two roles up to where I want them to be, else I'd be SL more, as I do enjoy it. Just depends on my mood, my goals, etc.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

When I do get into a Sqd, the chatter about the subject always leads to "I dislike being SL, but do it because no one else will".

Probably because they wanted to focus on other roles, or just wanted to relax this game, now they have to deal with everything that comes with commanding a squad, if they want a good game. I mean, some SL do the bare minimum.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

The other trend is forming a squad, then leaving it immediately after spawning. For us newbs, that means no OPs with a reduced spawn delay, and generally ANOTHER marathon from the closest garrison(after waiting a longer period).

This drives me nuts. But's that's been going on since I started playing. Depending on garry placement, I sometimes don't care and just keep playing in the squad using it as a time where I can sort of learn/try things. Always look at the bright side of things.

Originally posted by Bayonet:

Games are finishing in under 20 mins lately. By the time I find a squad, the famous " Your HQ sector is being captured" message appears, and peeps are ragequitting. I say remove the lock squad button.:NATO:

Interesting. I might find a steamroll game maybe 1 out of every 10 games, sometimes twice in a row depending on server, but then that's a sign to change servers :)

Originally posted by Pessimus Prime:

Exactly my experience - with the exception that I already even saw a lot of closed one-man-squads.

I've done that a few times, mainly because I have a specific mission in mind, such as putting down a garry deep in enemy territory and I generally take a supply truck as well. Or I'm just so annoyed with the team in general that I just want to do my own thing for a bit.

ALSO, I've noticed sometimes that someone doing arty does that. It's better then joining a squad and having the officer say, which has happened, don't expect OPs I'm going to be on arty.

Originally posted by La crampe:

you can't find anyone to play SL anymore, because all the players who played this role simply got out of disgust

Well... Not everyone. I enjoy playing SL, because I know I can do better then most, since most don't communicate and/or don't have a strategy apart from attack point head on, or defend point from inside it with everyone else until you're squeezed to death.

I love flanking the enemy who is flanking us. I love sneaking into a position where I can still put down an OP and maybe a garry to get behind the enemies flanks. I love the games where my squad works like clockwork and while everyone else is defending because for some reasons its takes 6+ squads to defend a point, we take over the next point on our own, then take care of arty without the ability to put down OPs, then retake the point because our team lost it (yes, that happened, it was an amazing game and I had an amazing squad of strangers + 1 friend).

Squad leading isn't for everyone, this game has 3 different types of play styles. The grunt, the squad lead and the commander. Depending on the type of game you want to play, depends on the type of role you accept.

There are a few reasons why I don't go squad lead more than I do, even when the "no platoon" list is large.

1) I'm working on other roles that I really want. I'm working on two roles right now, so my squad lead time is at a minimum, maybe 3-5 times a week.

2) I want to relax because my day was tough and don't need the added stress of being SL, I just want to be told where to go and shoot things.

3) The previous game recon let down the team by letting arty crush us, so I decided to go spotter and do recon things, it's also great if I've had a stressful day and want something even more laid back then infantry.

I think those are the primary reasons. Beyond that, depending on the game/team if the SL leaves I sometimes pick it up. Again depends on what I'm trying to get out of the game at that moment. Had a game yesterday where the squad lead left and a few of us still stuck together using the garry and we defended the point, it was fun, even without an SL and we could keep working on the roles we were working on.

If you're having REALLY bad luck with certain servers, look for other servers. I have about 10-15 in my favorites that I switch between and sometimes I look for new servers to add. Some can be really bad sometimes, some can be really good. You just have to mix it up.

Personally I also play SL, not all the time but regularly.

But I'm just fed up, I was talking about bad will in my previous message, it's unbearable!

We constantly hear the excuse of "we are new" and well no I'm sorry, when I arrived on this game it was to escape the classic fps like battlefield etc, so I got interested in the game by trying various roles , communicating and asking questions and that's what allowed me to understand the game.
but this is no longer possible, the new players don't give a damn, the only thing that interests them is to shoot the first guy they meet, don't care about anything else!

the resources ? The strategy ? Communication ? after several months they are there they still sing you the chorus "I'm new" you have to stop!

have you noticed that the game has changed since that famous free weekend which brought in a lot of new players? the games that last 20 minutes still last today, is that normal?


so they should stop making excuses for a bit and do something other than: Respawn, move forward in a straight line get killed, Respawn, move forward in a straight line get killed, Respawn, move forward in a straight line get killed get killed again and again and again!

I REALLY feel like I'm back on battlefield...

As for the servers, unfortunately, I don't speak English very well and I therefore have to stay on the French servers, and there are very, very few of them.

I'm telling you bluntly, our servers are DEAD, no game lasts more than 15-20 minutes and you can't do anything with the peep-peep men

[Kelath]

Originally posted by La crampe:

We constantly hear the excuse of "we are new" and well no I'm sorry, when I arrived on this game it was to escape the classic fps like battlefield etc, so I got interested in the game by trying various roles , communicating and asking questions and that's what allowed me to understand the game.
but this is no longer possible, the new players don't give a damn, the only thing that interests them is to shoot the first guy they meet, don't care about anything else!

the resources ? The strategy ? Communication ? after several months they are there they still sing you the chorus "I'm new" you have to stop!

"We are new" works for a while, as it took me a while to start to figure out things better and watching a bunch of soulsniper videos on the game. So lets say anyone around or before rank 35 (Because you rank up pretty fast initially) is "new". At 35 I still have people that won't redeploy because they're not dead, when they really just need to redeploy. But at least they're starting to hit their targets and begin to take things slowly, because they've learned if they run into the battlefield, they'll die before they can aim at anything.

I can't really blame the infantry for strategy/communications, if the SL isn't pushing for that, then the infantry are just going to do their own thing. Least that's what I've experienced. I try to press upon newer players to build nodes as the points help them advance in other roles they play during the game and over time hope that that instills a need to manage resources, least it did with me when I started.

Originally posted by La crampe:

have you noticed that the game has changed since that famous free weekend which brought in a lot of new players? the games that last 20 minutes still last today, is that normal?

I haven't noticed. I think all the games I play blur together. I do also get steamroll games (those that last 20ish minutes) but it doesn't happen often, the majority of games I play, maybe 60-70% go down to the last couple minutes. But that could just be because of the servers I can find, which is unfortunate if you're having an issue finding goof servers where you are :(

Originally posted by La crampe:

so they should stop making excuses for a bit and do something other than: Respawn, move forward in a straight line get killed, Respawn, move forward in a straight line get killed, Respawn, move forward in a straight line get killed get killed again and again and again!

After the first month or two I completely agree, they should have learned by then. Before that, I'll give them some leeway, as I think it took me a month before I even saw anyone on the opposite team. All I got was ping dead, ping dead, ping dead. Was brutal.

Originally posted by La crampe:

As for the servers, unfortunately, I don't speak English very well and I therefore have to stay on the French servers, and there are very, very few of them.

Ya. Most of the servers I play are American, some British. You might try some of the American servers (depending on ping), since when I play during the day I do notice quiet a few French players on there just from their accents, plus accents from various other countries. Sometimes they are speaking French and I'm like, what.

Originally posted by La crampe:

I'm telling you bluntly, our servers are DEAD, no game lasts more than 15-20 minutes and you can't do anything with the peep-peep men

Definitely sounds like an available server issue, which sucks, because nothing can really change that.

[Zanleer]

the problem is the community expects to be micromanaged or SL expect players to be micromanaged. that's why i stopped playing, i had an issue like you where there were no open squads so i created one but wasn't quick enough to lock it to myself so 3 people instantly joined.

and after we defended a point all of them were like on the mic "ok squad leader what do we do next?" "uh squad leader you need to give us directions" "squad leader if you need to communicate with us and should have a mic"

i finally replied "you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack the next point"

uninstalled after that game. screw this stupid ass community.

[Case]

Originally posted by Zanleer:

the problem is the community expects to be micromanaged or SL expect players to be micromanaged. that's why i stopped playing, i had an issue like you where there were no open squads so i created one but wasn't quick enough to lock it to myself so 3 people instantly joined.

and after we defended a point all of them were like on the mic "ok squad leader what do we do next?" "uh squad leader you need to give us directions" "squad leader if you need to communicate with us and should have a mic"

i finally replied "you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack the next point"

uninstalled after that game. screw this stupid ass community.

You found a squad actually asking for orders and you pitched a fit as the leader? Jesus, I have to start getting my inner R Lee Ermey on more than I'd like to get someone to stop suiciding into the enemy lines while we're on defense or to get Engineers/Supports to set up nodes so I stop hearing it from on high.

[Zanleer]

Originally posted by Nebiros:

Originally posted by Zanleer:

the problem is the community expects to be micromanaged or SL expect players to be micromanaged. that's why i stopped playing, i had an issue like you where there were no open squads so i created one but wasn't quick enough to lock it to myself so 3 people instantly joined.

and after we defended a point all of them were like on the mic "ok squad leader what do we do next?" "uh squad leader you need to give us directions" "squad leader if you need to communicate with us and should have a mic"

i finally replied "you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack the next point"

uninstalled after that game. screw this stupid ass community.

You found a squad actually asking for orders and you pitched a fit as the leader? Jesus, I have to start getting my inner R Lee Ermey on more than I'd like to get someone to stop suiciding into the enemy lines while we're on defense or to get Engineers/Supports to set up nodes so I stop hearing it from on high.

exactly you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ need "orders" to do the basics for some reason.