Maxim-Tokarev

[AmericanAutobot]

This is literally the only belt-fed machine gun that can be moved for infantry over the Maxim and DShK machine guns which have to use mounts to be effective. Give the Soviets a fair equalizer to the German's MG 42

[TWB*Clell_Miller]

They should absolutely have the soviet maxim/32 in great numbers.

[Emil]

Only game that did DP somewhat playable was WaW. It was horrible in RO2 as well. Maxim-Tokarev weren't massively produced as far as I can tell so it might've been overlooked.

[JohnnyBanana]

Escrito originalmente por TWB*Clell_Miller:

They should absolutely have the soviet maxim/32 in great numbers.

you mean like the 2500 that were produced lol?

[TWB*Clell_Miller]

Escrito originalmente por JohnnyBanana:

Escrito originalmente por TWB*Clell_Miller:

They should absolutely have the soviet maxim/32 in great numbers.

you mean like the 2500 that were produced lol?

Was it that few? Let me do some research.

[TWB*Clell_Miller]

Escrito originalmente por JohnnyBanana:

Escrito originalmente por TWB*Clell_Miller:

They should absolutely have the soviet maxim/32 in great numbers.

you mean like the 2500 that were produced lol?

Okay, the weapon you describe had some 2700 produced. The Maxim/32 had some 1200 produced. Very well. the DP 27 seemed to have eclipsed both.

[Pvt. Parts]

If you want to be historically accurate, the Soviets weren’t big on light / medium machineguns. The Germans were the ones that made portable machineguns central to their fighting doctrine, which is easy to do when they built such excellent guns. The Soviet strength was in their submachineguns, specifically the huge quantities they could build. Hell Let Loose doesn’t really make any attempt to simulate the relative abundance or scarcity of each nation’s equipment, nor the differences in fighting doctrine. It would be nice if they did, but I’m not expecting to see it.

[Gregory Stevens]

Sounds more like a cope thread. Face it dude, everything the soviets created was garbage, including their ideology.

[TWB*Clell_Miller]

Escrito originalmente por Pvt. Parts:

If you want to be historically accurate, the Soviets weren’t big on light / medium machineguns. The Germans were the ones that made portable machineguns central to their fighting doctrine, which is easy to do when they built such excellent guns. The Soviet strength was in their submachineguns, specifically the huge quantities they could build. Hell Let Loose doesn’t really make any attempt to simulate the relative abundance or scarcity of each nation’s equipment, nor the differences in fighting doctrine. It would be nice if they did, but I’m not expecting to see it.

Not at all true. The DP 27 total production was 795,000. That's hardly a momentary sneeze. They had light machine guns in quantity.

[JohnnyBanana]

Escrito originalmente por PINEAPPLEPETE:

Sounds more like a cope thread. Face it dude, everything the soviets created was garbage, including their ideology.

IDK man, I am a huge fan of the SVT40 and the PPS 43 but you hit the mark on the ideology lol

[Trexler ♤]

Escrito originalmente por PINEAPPLEPETE:

Sounds more like a cope thread. Face it dude, everything the soviets created was garbage, including their ideology.

the t34 especially

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

sg43?

Escrito originalmente por Trexler ♤:

Escrito originalmente por PINEAPPLEPETE:

Sounds more like a cope thread. Face it dude, everything the soviets created was garbage, including their ideology.

the t34 especially

thats not true, the T34 was an extremely effective (and something germany could have learned, cost effective and relatively easy to repair, germany had an issue with making overengineered junk) tank, it was built to last just as long as the average crew survival rate, good armor for the time, decent gun, good speed, cheap, nothing more needed.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Escrito originalmente por Pvt. Parts:

If you want to be historically accurate, the Soviets weren’t big on light / medium machineguns. The Germans were the ones that made portable machineguns central to their fighting doctrine, which is easy to do when they built such excellent guns. The Soviet strength was in their submachineguns, specifically the huge quantities they could build. Hell Let Loose doesn’t really make any attempt to simulate the relative abundance or scarcity of each nation’s equipment, nor the differences in fighting doctrine. It would be nice if they did, but I’m not expecting to see it.

This would probably be the best, maybe pushing squad numbers up to 8 people from 6 and move 2 assaults in with soviets or something, Soviets had a *ton* of SMGs and back then, bodies to use them

[Pvt. Parts]

Escrito originalmente por TWB*Clell_Miller:

Not at all true. The DP 27 total production was 795,000. That's hardly a momentary sneeze. They had light machine guns in quantity.

Production numbers don’t quite tell the whole story. For one thing, the DP machinegun production ran from 1927 through the early 1950s, when it was finally replaced by another Degtyaryov design: the RPD. So obviously not all of that production was available during the war. During World War II, more than 35 million soldiers served in the Red Army, a much larger figure than other nations, meaning their machineguns were spread out over a much larger force, including two of them in every T-34 tank. Third, when they did have machineguns for ground troops, the DP had a small magazine and lacked a quick change barrel, reducing its effective rate of fire compared to an MG-34 or 42, or even Browning 1917 or 1919. That means they just didn’t have the base of fire capability that the Germans did. Most of that was provided by World War I era Maxim 1910 guns that were hardly portable. Soviet troops adopted the tactic of getting as close as possible to their German occupiers so as to negate the German advantage in air support. At those ranges, rifle caliber machineguns are more vulnerable to being flanked, and the Soviets built millions upon millions of PPD, PPSh, and PPS submachineguns to arm their troops to spray lead at those close ranges.

[LeonardMT]

Escrito originalmente por PINEAPPLEPETE:

Sounds more like a cope thread. Face it dude, everything the soviets created was garbage, including their ideology.

Typical anti-communist loser (see their profile pic) who can't tell the diffrence between personal and private property.

Anyways...

PPSh Matched or beat the performance of the MP-40
AK-47 One of if not the most widely used assault rifles
T-34 Often called the tank that won WWII
T-55 One of the first MBTs and is still in use in some areas
The Venera Probes The only probes to land on Venus
Soyuz Rockets Still being used to this day and was the only way to get to the ISS from 2011-2020
RDS-2 Improved version of Fat Man (was going to be RDS-1 but the Soviets wanted to make something that was already tested)
etc.

[Wittelsbach]

PPSH's are hot af. Having fired them and MP40's they both have their own strengths and weaknesses.