Black Regiments

[Mnemonic]

Seems like the roadmap for HLL is huge! Adding in a ton of new weapons and factions into the game. I saw someone speculate that there could be canadians in the British faction. I was thinking since the game is so inspired by real places and times it would be so cool to include some of the Black regiments of the US Military during WW2. They did some extremely heroic and dangerous ♥♥♥♥ but are often ignored. Would be so cool to honor/remember them through HLL.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by Ф El Kapitan Ф:

Black Regiments existed..... but were very few and far between.

Most were deployed as merchant men carrying supplies across the Atlantic and received heavy losses as a result and contributed alot to the supply network. Another area where you would have seen "some" black infantrymen was in 1940 battle of France around the beach head of Dunkirk. They held a line of defence and were for a few days in action around that area of operations (Ghanaians I believe).

I also read a combat report regarding one battle in the Ardennes where Black American rear guards were told to grab a rifle and attack a German infantry battalion (The Germans had been shelled, and in combat for weeks with another US regiment and were mostly wounded and low on ammunition). A mostly black regiment rolled in with tanks and managed to push the weakened formation of Germans out of the town. Think their officer got wounded twice.

Another situation was in North Africa/Italy/Salerno and Monte Casino where there were "some" blank infantrymen and more than a few Indian regiments fighting. The indians were especially prevalent at Monte Casino (Few regiments etc) who fought valiantly.

The only story that makes me laugh and is a point of historical revisionism is the Tuskagee airmen of film fame..... As a singular entity (they existed and did knock some aircraft down) they "shot down" more than twice the number of German warplanes the Germans had in the Mediterranean. Quite an achievement...... There has been a lot of effort to inflate their contribution is this theatre which to a man was equal to any other pilot stationed there. They, however, wildly over claimed to the extreme in terms of kills especialy when you consider how many other American pilots were operating there at the time.

There is a lot of historical revisionism looking to be merged with reality at the moment, in terms of contribution of minorities in WW1/WW2/Korea/Vietnam, driven by a sense of inclusivity. Were there minorities involved in these wars...... for sure. But when talking statistically their combat involvement was very small. As the minority who contributed the most, there was five million Indians involved in WW2 but most were based in India to quell uprisings (many Indians supported Germany due to wanting their freedom from the British). Some fought in Africa, quite a few in the pacific/Burma etc but not many.

More than happy to see all included but history..... facts...... this should come first.

In WW2 2.5 million black men volunteered for the draft, they served as pilots, tankers and logistics support until later on in the war when it was desegregated and black men filled the ranks after all white regiments took losses at the battle of the bulge, other full black regiments existed and fought their way up Italy, regardless, they fought and died right beside their comrades in arms, don't discount their bravery or sacrifice, especially for a country that didn't love them at the time. And I don't know why you're mentioning other races in a forum talking about adding blk people to the game, that's bad, stop that.

It's frankly disgusting to see people say they don't belong in the game, or try and strawman and say to add other white regiments etc first, or that they only had some small part in the war, its insanity, and just because one person wants something added doesn't mean 99.99% of resources go to that thing and nothing else can be developed, its bogus and disrespectful to their deaths, white, blk and otherwise, all Americans who fought and died together. (If you want to read more, take up the Army. https://www.army.mil/article/233117/honoring_black_history_world_war_ii_service_to_the_nation#:~:text=During%20WWII%2C%20more%20than%202.5,the%20Army%20during%20the%20War.)

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

It's frankly disgusting to see people say they don't belong in the game, or try and strawman and say to add other white regiments etc first

What the other guy meant was that if it is done it should be done in a way that represents when and where they were in the war. It is disrespectful to put black units where they were not because of "representation".

He is 100% right about the rewriting of history in all forms of media, seeing all black units storming Normandy would be absurd because that did not happen. Now having the option to have a black character at Foy would make sense (even though there were no black units at Foy IIRC) or at least it would make more sense. Or if there was a map in Italy in the same sector as the black units then it would be wrong to NOT include them.

Also, that article you linked backs up the other guys' point far more lol it talks mostly about the contributions on the home front and not so much their achievements in Europe.

[Least Shaman]

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

It's frankly disgusting to see people say they don't belong in the game, or try and strawman and say to add other white regiments etc first

What the other guy meant was that if it is done it should be done in a way that represents when and where they were in the war. It is disrespectful to put black units where they were not because of "representation".

He is 100% right about the rewriting of history in all forms of media, seeing all black units storming Normandy would be absurd because that did not happen. Now having the option to have a black character at Foy would make sense (even though there were no black units at Foy IIRC) or at least it would make more sense. Or if there was a map in Italy in the same sector as the black units then it would be wrong to NOT include them.

Also, that article you linked backs up the other guys' point far more lol it talks mostly about the contributions on the home front and not so much their achievements in Europe.

THis

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by Noob Helper:

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

What the other guy meant was that if it is done it should be done in a way that represents when and where they were in the war. It is disrespectful to put black units where they were not because of "representation".

He is 100% right about the rewriting of history in all forms of media, seeing all black units storming Normandy would be absurd because that did not happen. Now having the option to have a black character at Foy would make sense (even though there were no black units at Foy IIRC) or at least it would make more sense. Or if there was a map in Italy in the same sector as the black units then it would be wrong to NOT include them.

Also, that article you linked backs up the other guys' point far more lol it talks mostly about the contributions on the home front and not so much their achievements in Europe.

THis

It's not about "points", his point was dumb, I don't control companies that include dumb random tokens in their stuff like BF5 with women fighting for everyone, that's not what people are asking for. Furthermore, even if that's what people were asking for (just on the skin color choices being widened) this game isnt historical, as i've previously mentioned theres nothing stopping teams from running 100% fallschrimjager in the winter, or winter uniforms in the summer, and if a black skin had been included at launch, this simply wouldn't be a discussion (except you folks crying about black people being around maybe? idk)

In the end, they fought at the battle of the bulge when segregated regiments took horrific losses and they filled the gaps proudly, even the President realized and after this started the process to desegregate the military. It was brutal, as you should know if you know about the Bulge, they fought in Italy, across Italy, pushing Germany to the North, they ran the Redball Express (maybe a good reason to have a black skin always be available. From Normandy to Paris, who's to say this isn't a rear echelon driver pushed into combat?)

But even all that aside, they also fought in tanks regiments, such as the Black Panthers(aka the The 761st Tank Battalion) or as the 784th Tank Battalion who had an excellent combat record, as the 78th Tank Battalion which Jackie Robinson fought in, which still exist today, or as pilots (as you should know from the Tuskegee airmen, idk what the guy above was saying about a little amount of pilots, there were 992 trained pilots by 1946 and they had flown hundreds of combat missions over Europe. So TLDR, again, no one is asking to be a token, if you knew black people, you'd know we hate those, just being included would be NICE, that's it. No ones asking to have every character be black, no ones asking to never add other races or regiments that should be around, like Indians for the Brits or Native Americans who were used as Codetalkers in the Pacific etc, everyone should be included that was realistically there, and thats giving a point to myself because this game isn't historically accurate, so none of that.

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[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

Originally posted by Noob Helper:

THis

It's not about "points", his point was dumb, I don't control companies that include dumb random tokens in their stuff like BF5 with women fighting for everyone, that's not what people are asking for. Furthermore, even if that's what people were asking for (just on the skin color choices being widened) this game isnt historical, as i've previously mentioned

You are seeming to contradict yourself here, your justification for adding black characters in places where they where not because the game is historically inaccurate already but you want historical units to be represented....? It seems like you do want token representation, black units where part of the war effort even though they where not in this or that battle but they should be an option because...... representation...?

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

theres nothing stopping teams from running 100% fallschrimjager in the winter

Uuummm the FJ where 100% apart of the 6th Panzer Army (6th FJ I think) and where part of the initial spearhead during the Battle of the Bulge lol

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

In the end, they fought at the battle of the bulge when segregated regiments took horrific losses and they filled the gaps proudly

I agree lol sure they where not at the push on Foy but they where a part of the Bulge and should be represented because in theory it plausible (though not historically accurate) that they could be there. If there was a map that was added that featured the Gothic Line then they should 100% be added, if there was an Operation Cobra themed map, they should be added etc.

The fact of the matter is that black's where not a part of the initial push into Normandy, they where not at Omaha, Utah, St Mer, St Marie, or Carentan. I do not ever remember reading about any kind of notable units that served at Hurtgen and the Rangers took Hill 400. I am not 100% sure on Remagen so I will hold my tongue on that one. Hell it would make more sense for the Germans to have a Korean character at Omaha then for the US to have black characters there (yeah look up that one lol).

Sure I would love for the proper representation of the respective units at the battle, without all the farby uniform options. I would love to have hearts on the helmets of paratroopers of the 502 at Purple Heart Lane fighting the 6th FJ and 17th SS. I hate seeing Melton coats at PHL or G43s at Kursk, but its a game and I do not expect it to have the same nitpickyness to historical accuracy that I do.

The authenticity hits the generic button hard when it comes to historical accuracy. The uniforms are decent (the German Camo is a nightmare but that's something different) but again very generic. Sure you get a Ranger marked helmet or a helmet with scrim for paratroopers that do not belong on certain maps. I really wish they did what Day of Infamy did and locked certain items to certain maps. But to the average or untrained eye it looks accurate.

Now think if you saw a bunch of black solders pushing down St Marie or Carentan (a place they 100% where not), it makes less sense to have them there than in Foy( where there is some plausibility). If you add them to maps that they clearly did not have a chance in hell at being at then you are just playing into the "equal representation" that plagues literally everything now days.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

they ran the Redball Express (maybe a good reason to have a black skin always be available. From Normandy to Paris, who's to say this isn't a rear echelon driver pushed into combat?)

Well considering the game has no maps set during that time frame there is no reason to have them in the Normandy maps. As I stated earlier if they did a map where they would or could have been present then sure, add them I think its fair. Red Ball Express did not take place until well after the break out of Normandy (August of 44), so why should they be at Utah Beach....?

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

, they also fought in tanks regiments, such as the Black Panthers(aka the The 761st Tank Battalion) or as the 784th Tank Battalion who had an excellent combat record, as the 78th Tank Battalion which Jackie Robinson fought in, which still exist today,

More of a reason to have them in Foy, this seems to be like the acceptance of a female sniper character for the soviet side. It should be locked behind a higher level because of how rare it was but I would say you where more likely to see a black tanker at the bulge than you would a female scout/sniper ever in Russia lol

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

or as pilots (as you should know from the Tuskegee airmen, idk what the guy above was saying about a little amount of pilots, there were 992 trained pilots by 1946 and they had flown hundreds of combat missions over Europe.

IDK air force/power is not my area of study, I don't know much about it aside for a few things here and there almost entirely from the Pacific so I will leave it at that.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

So TLDR, again, no one is asking to be a token, if you knew black people, you'd know we hate those, just being included would be NICE, that's it.

Again I agree, but it should be where it is appropriate is what myself and the other guy was getting at (dare I say the point lol). You seem to be a historically educated fellow and should know it makes no sense to have black characters in the maps available in Normandy but would be fair to have them in Foy. If they added maps that would have had black units present then yes 100% it would be absurd to not have them there. My main point is, this game already has its inaccuracy's, why add to them and turn this game into BF1, or 5 or COD or whatever else. Put them where they belong, that is the best way to respect their historical legacy.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

So TLDR, again, no one is asking to be a token, if you knew black people, you'd know we hate those, just being included would be NICE, that's it.

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

Again I agree, but it should be where it is appropriate is what myself and the other guy was getting at (dare I say the point lol). You seem to be a historically educated fellow and should know it makes no sense to have black characters in the maps available in Normandy but would be fair to have them in Foy. If they added maps that would have had black units present then yes 100% it would be absurd to not have them there. My main point is, this game already has its inaccuracy's, why add to them and turn this game into BF1, or 5 or COD or whatever else. Put them where they belong, that is the best way to respect their historical legacy.

You managed to write an entire essay and still just strawman my argument as wanting token representations, I said I don't, but even IF I just wanted the devs to toss a random black skin in the game to represent the efforts of the black americans that died in the war, that wouldn't be an issue either because this game isn't historical as I said. You somehow tried to disprove every claim I made, I never once said add black people to maps where they weren't, regardless, probably expecting too much out of you to engage at face value rather than just wanting to "win" your point. I personally think the combined experiences of the african americans in ww2 and their heroics, especially the 761st Black Panthers that pushed further East than any other unit from the United States, receiving 391 for heroism under Pattons 3rd Army.

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game regardless, unlike what you think, i'm not the one pushing and putting these people in these games, thats the white folks that think they know what people want, this games decent, and neither are historical, no ones saying turn this into bf5, but even at WORST if it was adding a black skin to ANY US team, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Again, I understand the US was largely racist and not accepting of black GI's back home or on the front and thus relegated them to support roles (outside of the various combat roles I mentioned), but at the end of the day unless this game decides it wants to the go the way of post scriptum where everyone has 1 regimental uniform and accurate skins for that uniform, then I don't see an issue with including them if they were in the threatre at the time. (Don't try and say i'm saying to toss them where they werent, thank you, maybe i'm expecting too much as I said). Have a nice night. And don't forget, this game isn't historical.

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[MonkeyHotDog]

Female soldiers will have x2 smaller hitbox?

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You managed to write an entire essay and still just strawman my argument as wanting token representations, I said I don't, but even IF I just wanted the devs to toss a random black skin in the game to represent the efforts of the black americans that died in the war, that wouldn't be an issue either because this game isn't historical as I said.

You are literally trying to play both sides and you are contradicting yourself right here bud, you DONT want token representation but since the game is not historically accurate already add them for token representation......

I am literally agreeing with you that they should be represented in the game and you seem to just gloss over that lol I explained why it would not be appropriate to have them in Normandy because that is where most of the maps take place. Try and use some critical thinking skills. But you are trying to play both sides of the argument so I feel you are just inconsistent in your logic.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

I personally think the combined experiences of the african americans in ww2 and their heroics, especially the 761st Black Panthers that pushed further East than any other unit from the United States, receiving 391 for heroism under Pattons 3rd Army.

You keep bringing this up as if I am disproving you or do not believe you lol I literally agreed with you on this point that they should be represented in Foy but you seem to gloss over that and assume I am trying to "win" the argument when I am trying to have a civil conversation.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5

Yes lol there is a reason I ditched that game years ago and play this one, this game has far far far more authenticity to it than BF5.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game

This is just a sad cope bro, I was hoping you were better than that, this is like all the other crap going around media these days. Someone adds characters that are just there for diversity, equity and inclusion, then where there is backlash it's just "oh you are just scared to see a strong woman character, or you are homophobic, racist, etc".
No, I want my game, show, and/or movie to be authentic to the historical record or source material. Saw this cope with the Rings of Power and it is low and pathetic, you are better than this. You keep preaching and bringing up historical data then you gloss over it because, "Oh there was a small minority that served, better make them a main character and over-represent them".
I said it before and I will stand by it, this game is decently generic when it comes to authenticity, uniforms wise that is. It tries harder to be authentic than most, with Post Scriptum beating it in authenticity. Is it 100% perfect no, but it does better than most other ww2 shooters out there.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

, but even at WORST if it was adding a black skin to ANY US team, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Bro I am literally agreeing with you that they should be added, but they should be added WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE. That is the whole basis for my "essay" response. I would like to think that is where we could find common ground.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game regardless

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

, this games decent, and neither are historical, no ones saying turn this into bf5, but even at WORST if it was adding a black skin to ANY US team, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

You see this here makes it look like you are implying that you want the representation that BF5 has because both games are inaccurate, then might as well make the game that is more historically accurate, inaccurate because, again, representation. Also, my primary beef with BF5 was the gameplay, not the characters.

I don't know how many times I have to say that I 100% believe a black character model should be added to maps where it is appropriate. I thought this was a conversation about accurate representation in a ww2 shooter game you seemed to turn it into a points-winning argument or whatever with those ridiculous

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game regardless

comments like this. I don't want this game to turn into BF5, in that aspect, keep what authenticity it has. Only add it where it is appropriate.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

unless this game decides it wants to the go the way of post scriptum where everyone has 1 regimental uniform and accurate skins for that uniform

Yes lol I wish

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

then I don't see an issue with including them if they were in the threatre at the time. (Don't try and say i'm saying to toss them where they werent, thank you, maybe i'm expecting too much as I said). Have a nice night. And don't forget, this game isn't historical.

Bro that is literally, LITERALLY the entire point of my and that other guy's post lol why are you getting so defensive? Did you even read my first comment or did you just jump on the "oh he does not agree with me or OP so hates and is scared of black people in games" bandwagon?
The fact of the matter is that Foy is the only map that is appropriate, which is something I have been stating from the get-go. If they add an Operation Cobra map or Gothic line map then add them, simple as that.

You again are contradicting yourself because earlier you said

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

they ran the Redball Express (maybe a good reason to have a black skin always be available. From Normandy to Paris, who's to say this isn't a rear echelon driver pushed into combat?)

None of the maps take place during the Red Ball Express but do you think they should still always be available...? Be concise with your logic, otherwise, you look like a troll. This is why it looks like you want token characters, also your point of "the game is not historical" seems like a weak fallacy as well. No game is 100% historically accurate, I know this game is not but it tries harder than nearly all that came before it, instead of pandering as BF5 does.
Your logic of "it's already inaccurate, so let's keep making it inaccurate so there is representation" is a slippery slope. I want to say there was a dev brief on discord that stated they were going to fix up authenticity (no Panthers in Stalingrad) but I don't remember.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You managed to write an entire essay and still just strawman my argument as wanting token representations, I said I don't, but even IF I just wanted the devs to toss a random black skin in the game to represent the efforts of the black americans that died in the war, that wouldn't be an issue either because this game isn't historical as I said.

You are literally trying to play both sides and you are contradicting yourself right here bud, you DONT want token representation but since the game is not historically accurate already add them for token representation......

I am literally agreeing with you that they should be represented in the game and you seem to just gloss over that lol I explained why it would not be appropriate to have them in Normandy because that is where most of the maps take place. Try and use some critical thinking skills. But you are trying to play both sides of the argument so I feel you are just inconsistent in your logic.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

I personally think the combined experiences of the african americans in ww2 and their heroics, especially the 761st Black Panthers that pushed further East than any other unit from the United States, receiving 391 for heroism under Pattons 3rd Army.

You keep bringing this up as if I am disproving you or do not believe you lol I literally agreed with you on this point that they should be represented in Foy but you seem to gloss over that and assume I am trying to "win" the argument when I am trying to have a civil conversation.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5

Yes lol there is a reason I ditched that game years ago and play this one, this game has far far far more authenticity to it than BF5.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game

This is just a sad cope bro, I was hoping you were better than that, this is like all the other crap going around media these days. Someone adds characters that are just there for diversity, equity and inclusion, then where there is backlash it's just "oh you are just scared to see a strong woman character, or you are homophobic, racist, etc".
No, I want my game, show, and/or movie to be authentic to the historical record or source material. Saw this cope with the Rings of Power and it is low and pathetic, you are better than this. You keep preaching and bringing up historical data then you gloss over it because, "Oh there was a small minority that served, better make them a main character and over-represent them".
I said it before and I will stand by it, this game is decently generic when it comes to authenticity, uniforms wise that is. It tries harder to be authentic than most, with Post Scriptum beating it in authenticity. Is it 100% perfect no, but it does better than most other ww2 shooters out there.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

, but even at WORST if it was adding a black skin to ANY US team, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Bro I am literally agreeing with you that they should be added, but they should be added WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE. That is the whole basis for my "essay" response. I would like to think that is where we could find common ground.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game regardless

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

, this games decent, and neither are historical, no ones saying turn this into bf5, but even at WORST if it was adding a black skin to ANY US team, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

You see this here makes it look like you are implying that you want the representation that BF5 has because both games are inaccurate, then might as well make the game that is more historically accurate, inaccurate because, again, representation. Also, my primary beef with BF5 was the gameplay, not the characters.

I don't know how many times I have to say that I 100% believe a black character model should be added to maps where it is appropriate. I thought this was a conversation about accurate representation in a ww2 shooter game you seemed to turn it into a points-winning argument or whatever with those ridiculous

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You folks are scared of this game becoming bf5 with too many women and blk and brown characters everywhere, I get that scares you, but bf5 is a decent game regardless

comments like this. I don't want this game to turn into BF5, in that aspect, keep what authenticity it has. Only add it where it is appropriate.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

unless this game decides it wants to the go the way of post scriptum where everyone has 1 regimental uniform and accurate skins for that uniform

Yes lol I wish

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

then I don't see an issue with including them if they were in the threatre at the time. (Don't try and say i'm saying to toss them where they werent, thank you, maybe i'm expecting too much as I said). Have a nice night. And don't forget, this game isn't historical.

Bro that is literally, LITERALLY the entire point of my and that other guy's post lol why are you getting so defensive? Did you even read my first comment or did you just jump on the "oh he does not agree with me or OP so hates and is scared of black people in games" bandwagon?
The fact of the matter is that Foy is the only map that is appropriate, which is something I have been stating from the get-go. If they add an Operation Cobra map or Gothic line map then add them, simple as that.

You again are contradicting yourself because earlier you said

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

they ran the Redball Express (maybe a good reason to have a black skin always be available. From Normandy to Paris, who's to say this isn't a rear echelon driver pushed into combat?)

None of the maps take place during the Red Ball Express but do you think they should still always be available...? Be concise with your logic, otherwise, you look like a troll. This is why it looks like you want token characters, also your point of "the game is not historical" seems like a weak fallacy as well. No game is 100% historically accurate, I know this game is not but it tries harder than nearly all that came before it, instead of pandering as BF5 does.
Your logic of "it's already inaccurate, so let's keep making it inaccurate so there is representation" is a slippery slope. I want to say there was a dev brief on discord that stated they were going to fix up authenticity (no Panthers in Stalingrad) but I don't remember.

You're misunderstanding my point. I'm saying keep it as historical as possible, I wish this game was more historically accurate and less arcadey (again, I don't know how you keep missing that point while saying I just want tokens, I don't, tokens are stupid) the 320th Signal Bat landed at D-DAY, so that's Normandy done if we want to go by the current maps (which i'm not exactly). If people are going to be as stingy as to not allow a single blk skin where "historically" they weren't, so be it, but we better be getting FULL black regiments on their appropriate maps if that's the route you wanna take it.

But again, i'm saying keep it as accurate to history as possible within the realms the game has already established to break with its more arcadey style, that's why I was saying that's a point for me because even if I was arguing for tokens (which AGAIN, i'm not, but i'm trying to show you that even if I was, it wouldn't matter because this game is an arcade shooter, not very historical, I was hoping I wouldn't need to break it down for you but it seemed I did.) And touching on your other points, I only came in with proof of blk achievements in the war because you went point by point breaking down my comment about including us We may agree about keeping this game historical, but I don't agree with you cramming this bs about people rewriting history and the media nonsense that you keep trying to add, no ones is trying to eliminate white, brown, purple people, anyone's achievements in the war, no ones trying to rewrite sht except the dumb pandering CEO's that have no clue what they're doing, there's no great replacement for the historians rewriting history, that's not how any of that work, it makes you sound like a nutjob that needs just keep their tinfoil hat on. keep that sht outta my game lmfao, Have a great day

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LOL This dead end conversation again,the only people here butthurt and pissed off coping are these people against people not wanting certain skins no matter the reason.

I hope they never add them just so I can see all of you whining about colored skins cry harder about not having colored skins.

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You're misunderstanding my point. I'm saying keep it as historical as possible, I wish this game was more historically accurate and less arcadey (again, I don't know how you keep missing that point while saying I just want tokens, I don't, tokens are stupid)

How many times do I have to quote you before you realize that you were not clear on your point lol wait I thought this was not about points...lol? Or realize how you were contradicting your own points and even yourself now? At least be consistent with your argument.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

If people are going to be as stingy as to not allow a single blk skin where "historically" they weren't, so be it, but we better be getting FULL black regiments on their appropriate maps if that's the route you wanna take it.

Yes, kind of been my point constantly.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

And touching on your other points, I only came in with proof of blk achievements in the war because you went point by point breaking down my comment about including us

Show me where I denied black achievements during the war.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

We may agree about keeping this game historical, but I don't agree with you cramming this bs about people rewriting history and the media nonsense that you keep trying to add, no ones is trying to eliminate white, brown, purple people, anyone's achievements in the war, no ones trying to rewrite sht except the dumb pandering CEO's that have no clue what they're doing, there's no great replacement for the historians rewriting history, that's not how any of that work, it makes you sound like a nutjob that needs just keep their tinfoil hat on. keep that sht outta my game lmfao, Have a great day

Bro, do you lack the self-awareness to realize that you are contradicting yourself so hard right here? You state that its "bs about people rewriting history" then you go on to say "no one trying to rewrite stuff except dumb CEO's" which counters your own point then you call me a "nutjob" for calling out the rewriting of history that you admitted to....?
You can't hold an argument or a consistent point, which is why you come off as only wanting representation for representation's sake. If you really think that historical facts and media, in general, are not being changed to hit diversity requirements then you really do not understand modern pop culture lol. Forgive me for not wanting that crap to infect a game I enjoy (something we should both agree upon).
I may have been quick on the gun to call you out on wanting token characters for "representation" and if so I apologize but as I have said countless times, you have been sending mixed messages.

Further, can you tell me with a straight face that COD WW2, BF1, BF5, and COD Vanguard (to name a few) did not rewrite history in order to meet modern-day inclusivity quotas.....?

The sad thing is we agree on the same premise lol that historical units should be represented in a game that at least tries to be historically accurate (balloon men on the beach is a stretch IMO but fair on the beach maps). Can't seem to stress it enough, I would be accepting of a map in Italy where it was only the Buffalo soldiers or a different Ardennes Map where the black soldiers where pressed into service. As long as it strives to be historically accurate and not, as we both have agreed, not have token characters.

You seem to be caught up on calling me out for what exactly? Agreeing with points that you say then contradict lol? Either way, have a good day as well and stay safe out there.

[Emperors Champion Dragos]

You seem to be caught up on calling me out for what exactly? Agreeing with points that you say then contradict lol? Either way, have a good day as well and stay safe out there. [/quote]

All in all, I think for the most part we agree then, and with the bit I said about rewriting history it depends what you mean, I was referring to actual history not video games, because as we both know, games aren't always historical or accurate. Just a misunderstanding I think.

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

You're misunderstanding my point. I'm saying keep it as historical as possible, I wish this game was more historically accurate and less arcadey (again, I don't know how you keep missing that point while saying I just want tokens, I don't, tokens are stupid)

How many times do I have to quote you before you realize that you were not clear on your point lol wait I thought this was not about points...lol? Or realize how you were contradicting your own points and even yourself now? At least be consistent with your argument.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

If people are going to be as stingy as to not allow a single blk skin where "historically" they weren't, so be it, but we better be getting FULL black regiments on their appropriate maps if that's the route you wanna take it.

Yes, kind of been my point constantly.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

And touching on your other points, I only came in with proof of blk achievements in the war because you went point by point breaking down my comment about including us

Show me where I denied black achievements during the war.

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

We may agree about keeping this game historical, but I don't agree with you cramming this bs about people rewriting history and the media nonsense that you keep trying to add, no ones is trying to eliminate white, brown, purple people, anyone's achievements in the war, no ones trying to rewrite sht except the dumb pandering CEO's that have no clue what they're doing, there's no great replacement for the historians rewriting history, that's not how any of that work, it makes you sound like a nutjob that needs just keep their tinfoil hat on. keep that sht outta my game lmfao, Have a great day

Bro, do you lack the self-awareness to realize that you are contradicting yourself so hard right here? You state that its "bs about people rewriting history" then you go on to say "no one trying to rewrite stuff except dumb CEO's" which counters your own point then you call me a "nutjob" for calling out the rewriting of history that you admitted to....?
You can't hold an argument or a consistent point, which is why you come off as only wanting representation for representation's sake. If you really think that historical facts and media, in general, are not being changed to hit diversity requirements then you really do not understand modern pop culture lol. Forgive me for not wanting that crap to infect a game I enjoy (something we should both agree upon).
I may have been quick on the gun to call you out on wanting token characters for "representation" and if so I apologize but as I have said countless times, you have been sending mixed messages.

Further, can you tell me with a straight face that COD WW2, BF1, BF5, and COD Vanguard (to name a few) did not rewrite history in order to meet modern-day inclusivity quotas.....?

The sad thing is we agree on the same premise lol that historical units should be represented in a game that at least tries to be historically accurate (balloon men on the beach is a stretch IMO but fair on the beach maps). Can't seem to stress it enough, I would be accepting of a map in Italy where it was only the Buffalo soldiers or a different Ardennes Map where the black soldiers where pressed into service. As long as it strives to be historically accurate and not, as we both have agreed, not have token characters.

You seem to be caught up on calling me out for what exactly? Agreeing with points that you say then contradict lol? Either way, have a good day as well and stay safe out there.

All in all, I think for the most part we agree then, and with the bit I said about rewriting history it depends what you mean, I was referring to actual history not video games, because as we both know, games aren't always historical or accurate. If you mean actual history then that's another talk entirely. Just a misunderstanding I think on that part, and with the added condition of maps or areas in the future where black units fought in and around are featured, I think we can come to a close. Also, there were a ton of people trolling on this thread so I may have been quick on my guns as well, so sorry for that.

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Emperors Champion Dragos:

All in all, I think for the most part we agree then, and with the bit I said about rewriting history it depends what you mean, I was referring to actual history not video games, because as we both know, games aren't always historical or accurate. If you mean actual history then that's another talk entirely. Just a misunderstanding I think on that part, and with the added condition of maps or areas in the future where black units fought in and around are featured, I think we can come to a close. Also, there were a ton of people trolling on this thread so I may have been quick on my guns as well, so sorry for that. :happypirate:

Yes sir, thank you and I am glad that we can see eye to eye I apologize for whatever misunderstandings I may have caused. I understand the hostility with trolls, I did not read all the responses on this post but I have been around long enough to know that these forums attracted some real degenerates.
I am an undergrad history major and have seen and know enough to see that certain elements of history are being rewritten to fit a modern narrative but again that is a conversation for a different day.
Take care man and happy hunting in game