Enlisted vs. Hell Let Loose

[Dexter]

I just recently played Enlisted for the first time. Though not exactly great, I still fear for the future of Hell Let Loose to be quite honest. This game could potentially eat Hell Let Loose's lunch.

As of right now, Enlisted is sort of janky and buggy. The animations aren't all the way there and I noticed some graphical glitches, however all those are fixable problems and from what I've seen the developers are far more assiduous in updating and fixing their game compared to the Hell Let Loose developers. Not only is Enlisted free, but there is far more content and customization and the updates are near-weekly.
What's amusing to me is the fact that Enlisted strives to be historically accurate despite the game itself being arcadey. You will find the correct regiments fighting in the correct settings with correct weapons and equipment. One of their most recent updates includes "Fixes for the “Battle of Berlin” campaign: The Panther F tank has been replaced with the Panther G". Of course, this would have been the Panther variant most used in the Battle of Berlin and there are numerous photos of knocked out Panther Ausf. G's in the aftermath of that battle. This is the kind of assiduousness I'm talking about.

It's pretty clear Hell Let Loose is going in a more "arcadey" direction these days. Well now not only is that going to turn off a lot of original supporters, but the market for "Arcadey World War 2 multiplayer shooters" just got a very strong contender in Enlisted. I hope the Hell Let Loose developers take note of this and plan accordingly.

[Roadmay]

Enlisted is fun but honestly it is all about pay to win , you need to spend money or you will waste your time on it . If you don't , there will be crap weapons and crap bot teammates for you . Just imagane one Pz4 steamroll 5-6 Stuarts and the weakness side just don't have that weapon to counter it .

[Princess of Celery]

I played it for a hour, and the animations were so damn janky, The mods in skyrim and fallout 4 for animations are more professional and better then this. (some of them are very realistic too, lol) I don't know what the hell is so good about it. I love realism but it's need to work properly in a game too. I think a good mix of realism and arcade style is the best way for HLL moving forward.
Also why the hell are people defending a clearly pay to win game?

[Princess of Celery]

PsychaChi eredeti hozzászólása:

Spitzer_DK eredeti hozzászólása:

Mate I'm not saying enlisted is a great game, it's utter arcade crap. What I'm saying is HLL is slowly heading in that direction, disregarding realism and introducing more and more arcade like symmetrical balancing of weapons.

Just take the new newsletter the devs posted:
"we’ve buffed the damage to enable the Nagant to have a slightly higher stopping power than the TT-33."

"Buffed" Like wtf? That's not way the game I wanted or backed to be developed, it's the exact ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ opposite of it!

What's next? Stuarts taking out Tigers? Oh wait...

Hell Idc about realism at this point for HLL.. I just want it to run better and fix the game flow/meta. Increased flag cap speed turning this into domination COD and the 200m garrison placement. Limited support player kit, clunky gunplay/player movement. List can go on.

I think if you can make stuff look realistic for the time. Maps to weapons, to uniforms and etc then I can excuse unrealistic things.

[Enxadrista]

Enlisted is plain terrible, they are missing so many features that HLL has. It's just gonna be the same as War Thunder/WoT, messy, grindy, casual, p2w game.

[-TL- Crane]

Enlisted has no chance to grab the HLL player base. It's a completely different game. It's more of an arcade shooter/pay-to-win. I played a few hours of enlisted after seeing this and... Not impressed. It may grab some people from BF, but not post scriptum or HLL. :/

[NitoAndTheFunkyBunch]

Spitzer_DK eredeti hozzászólása:

Antiga eredeti hozzászólása:

Just played Enlisted for a bit. I mean... It's Gaijin. How anything Gaijin would ever blow anything else away has yet to be seen. It's pretty fun, but incredibly grindy and P2W to the max.
I haven't played HLL (Been thinking about trying it lately) but from what I've seen the games aren't similar at all. Sure, they are both FPS set during WW2. That's pretty much where the similarities end though.
First map I played in Enlisted I would swear was cobbled together from maps from other games, as I recognized 2 distinct places, one from Holdfast, the other I don't know.

Mate I'm not saying enlisted is a great game, it's utter arcade crap. What I'm saying is HLL is slowly heading in that direction, disregarding realism and introducing more and more arcade like symmetrical balancing of weapons.

Just take the new newsletter the devs posted:
"we’ve buffed the damage to enable the Nagant to have a slightly higher stopping power than the TT-33."

"Buffed" Like wtf? That's not way the game I wanted or backed to be developed, it's the exact ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ opposite of it!

What's next? Stuarts taking out Tigers? Oh wait...

"Asymmetrical balancing" does not mean abandoning balance all together in favor of realism.

[Uncle Bunkle Beard]

As someone that's played over 1500h of HLL and now over 100h in Enlisted I can say that for me Enlisted does many thing right that HLL does wrong.

- The hit reg/gun play is better and relatively well balanced for the size of the maps.
- The tanking is an order of magnitude better
- The game looks better and performance is great.
- Progression is engaging and rewarding.
- Animations might not be perfect (such as ladders) but navigating terrain is far less frustrating (I rage out far less getting stuck on fences and walls than I do in HLL)
- Props are generally destructible so no stuck vehicles.
- Updates are frequent and bugs addressed quickly.
- Controllable AI squads that you can change between is novel and refreshing.
- Air support you can fly.
- Reasonable match making conducive of fairer games than in HLL.

As per the pay to win comments, I've spent zero on the game and in 100h I've managed to reach lvl 25 in one team and unlocked everything to a point where anything you can buy just helps you progress faster if you don't have that much time to invest or if you want to jump around the campaigns and still be competitive.

Needless to say I'll be playing a lot less HLL. The only thing I miss in Enlisted is the collaborative team play but that's few and far between in HLL these days, gets progressively worse with every update (regarding the support role and vocal SLs) and could probably be addressed in Enlisted if they enable voice in their "Squad" game mode. The "Solo" mode is less interesting to me but if you're not a fan of AI have friends to play with over voice that might be worth checking out. It really wouldn't take much work to make a "hardcore" game mode that played very similar to HLL too with every member of a squad populated by real players and then I'd ditch the cluster f&ck that is HLL in a second.

[Dexter]

The biggest things for me are:

Uncle Bunkle Beard eredeti hozzászólása:

- The tanking is an order of magnitude better
- Props are generally destructible so no stuck vehicles.

And also:

Uncle Bunkle Beard eredeti hozzászólása:

- Updates are frequent and bugs addressed quickly.

I might wait until they do a major update again to jump back in, but suffice to say I am watching Enlisted closely.

[Diarrhea Blaster]

Enlisted has some pretty poor graphics.
It's only 10v10 with some AI.
Gameplay not even close to the same.
Pretty easy to kill tons of people.

Played one round and uninstalled, wanted to like it but didn't. This game is 100x times better.

[Chef_423]

Dexter eredeti hozzászólása:

TAWPan_de eredeti hozzászólása:

Well I still dont quite see the direct comparibility between those 2 besides ww2 setting. So if Enlisted actually eats HLL then so be it.

The are comparable insofar as Hell Let Loose is comparable to Post Scriptum.

PS wipes the floor with HLL. Not even close.

[Emme]

Chef_423 eredeti hozzászólása:

Dexter eredeti hozzászólása:

The are comparable insofar as Hell Let Loose is comparable to Post Scriptum.

PS wipes the floor with HLL. Not even close.

And who will hold the mop to do so? The few hand full of guys that populate the maximum of the 2 active PS servers left in this game?

No doubt that HLL Dev's currently made terrible gameplay decisions and meta needs big changes, but HLL in the end isn't as bad as you PS guys claim it to be. Population alone is the proof for this.

[NitoAndTheFunkyBunch]

Emme eredeti hozzászólása:

Chef_423 eredeti hozzászólása:

PS wipes the floor with HLL. Not even close.

And who will hold the mop to do so? The few hand full of guys that populate the maximum of the 2 active PS servers left in this game?

No doubt that HLL Dev's currently made terrible gameplay decisions and meta needs big changes, but HLL in the end isn't as bad as you PS guys claim it to be. Population alone is the proof for this.

Being more popular doesnt mean a game is better. Unless you think fortnite is the greatest game on the market rn.

[Emme]

Nito&TheFunkyBunch eredeti hozzászólása:

Emme eredeti hozzászólása:

And who will hold the mop to do so? The few hand full of guys that populate the maximum of the 2 active PS servers left in this game?

No doubt that HLL Dev's currently made terrible gameplay decisions and meta needs big changes, but HLL in the end isn't as bad as you PS guys claim it to be. Population alone is the proof for this.

Being more popular doesnt mean a game is better. Unless you think fortnite is the greatest game on the market rn.

And just because someone prefers PS over HLL doesn't make HLL a bad game either... So when will this stupid chit chat stop? HLL has serious weaknesses and PS does have them as well. At least you'll have someone to play HLL with. But in the end they are much similiar compared to Enlisted. So really no need to beat around the bush.

[Noel Gallagher]

the op is comparing both game in terms of how arcaidic they are
historical and realistic fps population won't stay for current stage of HLL
and arcadic population done't give a ♥♥♥♥ about realistic ballisitic physics and all that
so yeah enlisted will take all those players away from HLL if that game continues to be improved by big comapny like gajin
the only way indie developed ww2 game to be survive is to get the minority of players who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about historical data and realism
because the casual players won't stay long
they play the game depends on how popular and fun it is
and there are ton ♥♥♥♥ of BIG game company who constantly making the "fun games"
dev's better aware they have no position to compete with them
on the other hand the players who care about history and realism
they play the ww2 fps as simulation rather than one match fun game
and that's the exact reason why red orchestra1(2007 ) red orchestra2(2011) still have the players
so as sim like il-2 sturmovik(2014)

[Roninman]

Champagne Supernova eredeti hozzászólása:

the op is comparing both game in terms of how arcaidic they are
historical and realistic fps population won't stay for current stage of HLL
and arcadic population done't give a ♥♥♥♥ about realistic ballisitic physics and all that
so yeah enlisted will take all those players away from HLL if that game continues to be improved by big comapny like gajin
the only way indie developed ww2 game to be survive is to get the minority of players who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about historical data and realism
because the casual players won't stay long
they play the game depends on how popular and fun it is
and there are ton ♥♥♥♥ of BIG game company who constantly making the "fun games"
dev's better aware they have no position to compete with them
on the other hand the players who care about history and realism
they play the ww2 fps as simulation rather than one match fun game
and that's the exact reason why red orchestra1(2007 ) red orchestra2(2011) still have the players
so as sim like il-2 sturmovik(2014)

I agree in some way. There is vet players who played this since release and have seen game going downhill, then there are players who think this is quite good on its current state and are waiting for updates. Then there are arcade crowd who is quite big bunch, who will come here play little and jump to another game soon. This crowd propably already is playing Enlisted since they dont care about team that much, only personal stats, progression and how much is their k/d. HLL surely will take hit on playerbase because of Enlisted, how big is that noone knows.

This might actually be good thing. Generally games with lower population have dedicated playerbase in it and they know what game is and how its supposed to be played. But Devs too need to stepup and take carefull look what they have dont game within last 1.5 years.